Cap America vs.

[Jim Thompson]

Civil war is old news, but Cap was very confident that he could beat Iron Man if he had to...heck even in the movie he is confident that he can. However has he ever done so or proven that he is able to ? I mean what is Caps record vs Heavyweights? meaning people above his power set/level

He beat Iron Man in a Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty story not too long ago.

[Prince Of Orphans]

I've never actually seen Cap display any impressive strategic or tactical acumen in any marvel event, now admittedly I'm not the most well versed when it comes to Cap (so that really doesn't count), only really read him in the events and the era where Bucky was Cap, but in every event I've seen the guy in he's actually been kind of dumb...... He's got the whole inspiration angle down pat, no doubt about that, but displaying impressive squad level or strategic skill? He seems to prefer just yelling "Avengers Assemble" and start punching his problem.

I'm not sure how much sitting down and planning you want to see in your comics. Guys like Tony Stark work under him when they need battle plans and strategy, so that's really all the credibility i need personally. I wouldn't really enjoy a comic that shows Cap thinking in a board room for 20 pages.

All Iron Man would really have to do to beat Cap is use the magnets in his suit he used to fight Magneto to take away caps shield then just bombard the area from up above, not much Cap can do in such a situation by himself..... unless he decided to use civilians as human shields which would be completely out of character anyway.

So Iron Man can do something uncharacteristic like bombard him from above to beat him, but Cap can't do anything out of character? Sounds real fair.

Cap's psyched him out before. During Civil War, he tricked him into shaking his hand while having an EMP in his palm. Like I said, if there was one person who could play up Tony's weaknesses in any given situation, it's him.

Mind you, if it's raw power you're talking about, then Iron Man's got Cap beat. But there's always the prep time debate that could be brought up, as well as just about a million other situations they could be put in.

Also, Bucky's taken down Iron Man before. Without the shield. So why not Steve?

[marvell2100]

Cap fought Iron Man in Iron Man #228. Iron Man was holding back, but still won easily.

I was going to mention the fight in Armor Wars. I don't think people give Tony enough credit in his fights. He took on an army of supervillains solo during Demon in a Bottle and used very good tactics in that fight.

[DATNIGG]

It must depend solely on how hes written.. cause I can't logically see how a peak human with a sheild beats a guy in a battle suit who is not only faster but is stronger more durable & has lasers & all types of crazy weapons... idk captain america just wins stuff I guess

[Shellhead]

I've never actually seen Cap display any impressive strategic or tactical acumen in any marvel event, now admittedly I'm not the most well versed when it comes to Cap (so that really doesn't count), only really read him in the events and the era where Bucky was Cap, but in every event I've seen the guy in he's actually been kind of dumb...... He's got the whole inspiration angle down pat, no doubt about that, but displaying impressive squad level or strategic skill? He seems to prefer just yelling "Avengers Assemble" and start punching his problem.

All Iron Man would really have to do to beat Cap is use the magnets in his suit he used to fight Magneto to take away caps shield then just bombard the area from up above, not much Cap can do in such a situation by himself..... unless he decided to use civilians as human shields which would be completely out of character anyway.

It's true that Cap is often actually a lousy tactician if you go by his depiction in comics. Usually, Cap's idea of tactics is to shout and charge directly at his opponents, with about as much sophistication as a high school football player. But that's probably because the typical comic book writer isn't much of a tactician and therefore can't write well about tactics. It's kind of like how geniuses like Tony Stark are shown to be equally competent as scientists, inventors, engineers, chemists, etc, because the writers themselves are usually not knowledgeable enough about science to address the various disciplines separately. It's easier to just take things at face value and say that Cap is the best tactician and strategist and Stark is great in every aspect of science because the writers say so.

[davew128]

Have fun explaining this picture, from Super-Villain Team-Up #14, which was published in the same year as that Cap annual:



And then go fix your attitude.

I'll point out to you that Cap wears a chain mail vest. Typically made of ferrous metal. Since Cap himself did not mention being thrown by the shield, its only an assumption on Shellhead's. Gives more credence to the later issue where Mags himself says he can't manipulate the shield.

[klinton]

I kind of hate these discussions. It really comes down to the writer and their investment in Steve as to who he can or cannot beat.

As a fan of his, I beleive he can take down anything this side of the Beyonder if he absolutely needs to. Like, if someone else will suffer if he fails. What he might lack in physical/mystical/whatever power he will make up for in sheer determination and skills. He's a little scrapper where no is just not an option if the shit hits the fan.