Is it still a 'family'?

[Kizmet]

Nightwing 0 left me with that impression, and they are dismissive of each other, like when Bruce hit Dick and Dick didn't even blink, pre new 52 he would have reacted some way, now is like why bother. About Tim they don't talk, even being in the same place, they make comments but they don't talk and Jason is going around in Dick's old uniform and Dick hasn't even noticed it.

To me, the 0 issues seemed determined to undermine any family feeling between the Bats, but in the regular books I haven't really gotten the same feel. There hasn't been a whole lot of interaction, but when they do interact it doesn't seem too different from the old DC.

[Rakiduam]

What little family there is seems to be centred around Jason, and that's because Lobdell seems to be the only one with interest and experience in character/universe/relationship building advice and aligning it with editorial mandates. He picked up some skills in the X-office.

In that case why is Tim so distant from everyone, I thought Lobdell was writing him too.

I think if anything is centred around Damian, he is the only one you can see interacting with everyone else, he is also the only one that seem to take in account everybody else.

[InformationGeek]

I have no idea. This whole universe thing is baffling so I just throw my hands up and pretty much decide that I don't care whether they are a complete family or not. Not worth the hassle.

[klinton]

Yes, it is. Unfortunately. I love all of the supporting characters: Dick, Barbra, Jason, Selina and Kate.

I feel oblidged to read all of the Bat books because of the constant criss crossing of story threads. If DC could break out of this mold and just let me read these characters without having to buy all of Bruce's dull as hell books, I'd be a much happier camper.

I'm all for disolving the family. Can we get a Schism up in here?

[Mac!]

It hasn't been a Batman Family since Manbat left.

[zur en arrh]

Inc feels like the same family, but yeah, I don't get the impression that any of the characters are close at all in the new books. Outside of Bruce, Damian, and Alfred, that is.

Even with Gordon, something feels off to me. Him being younger, and also, quite frankly, a very weak character in Snyder's Batman, it doesn't feel like the same Gordon/Batman dynamic to me.

[Mac!]

Yeah, Gordon is so weak and clingy to Batman it hurts to read.

I miss the good old days when Gordon and Batman hated each-other.

[James Hunter]

I think there's still *just* enough there for it to be considered a family, especially if you focus on the relationship between Dick and Bruce (part of that could easily be a reluctance, on my part, to accept the complete revamp of Batman continuity, if I focus on Tomasi and Robinson I can ignore the reboot )

Cheers.

James.

[InformationGeek]

Yeah, Gordon is so weak and clingy to Batman it hurts to read.

I miss the good old days when Gordon and Batman hated each-other.

Like No Man's Land, though I don't think Batman hated Gordon in that comic.

[RichSummers]

I'm all for disolving the family. Can we get a Schism up in here?

As long as we don't get a Bat-Family vs. JLA crossover event that sucks as much as AvX, I'm game.

[sunofdarkchild]

Yeah, Gordon is so weak and clingy to Batman it hurts to read.

I miss the good old days when Gordon and Batman hated each-other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnwzlwM1qs

[Mac!]

Like No Man's Land, though I don't think Batman hated Gordon in that comic.

Brave and the Bold says otherwise.

[vampiric_cannibal]

In that case why is Tim so distant from everyone, I thought Lobdell was writing him too.

He's featured mainly in Titans, which is not a Batfamily book but a team book. Thus, it focuses mostly on the team rather than on a single member's family. Tim has been shown to be closer to Jason in RHatO. You wouldn't expect JL to show much of intra-Batfamily relations.

[adkal]

Tim has been shown to be closer to Jason in RHatO.

Which was 'out of the blue' and admitted as much in the issue itself. I think a better way of describing the situation is that 'Tim has been shown trying to build bridges with Jason'.

(However, contrast that with Batman Inc issue 4, where the family really is being brought together...and now (temporarily) being 'pulled apart'.)