"A man can be happy with any woman as long as he does not love her."
And if they did, I would no longer be able to follow the characters I've been following for most of my life, and would have to ditch Marvel as well as DC. Thanks a lot.Now, if only Marvel would do a restart/reboot as I find most of their books just too convoluted to follow anymore...
I still love the story, and liked having that benchmark to distinguish continuity, so it's kind of bittersweet. On the other hand, its existence hinders what they're (supposedly) trying to do with the DCnU... so I can see how it needs to go.
That said, deep down I'm still a grumpy old fan who's DCU will *always* be the "Post-COIE" one. May it R.I.P.
I like the first few years of Ultimate Spidey better than anything they've done in 616 Spider-Man in 30 years. I liked the first 36 issues of Ultimate FF more than any FF I've bought off the stands ever. Ultimates? The first two volumes were better than any 616 Avengers comic I had bought in forever. Ultimate X-Men was different and promising.
But then, somewhere around the 3 year mark, a lot of the Ultimate Universe started falling apart. Some of the books were given to jobbers to write, and a lot of the stories were really uninspired and dull. Ultimate FF and X-Men suffered the most. FF, especially. You started to get the feeling the writer didn't get that these weren't the 616 characters. And the imagination was gone.
I lost interest in everything except Ultimate Spider-Man, which Bendis maintained well.
If they'd kept the high level of talent the line had begun with, I'm sure I'd still be reading the line today. As it is, I'm always surprised when I notice an Ultimate Marvel comic and realize they are still making them. I heard a story -- I don't know if it's true -- that Marvel started pulling the best talent off the Ultimate books because they were starting to eclipse the mainline books and somebody upstairs didn't want that. Especially after Jemas was gone.
Marvel still puts out some good books. But I look at everything now as being some kind of alternate universe tale. The feeling of one unbroken, continuous history that Marvel used to have is long gone.
Last edited by stk; 11-04-2012 at 01:34 AM.
Yeah. The line hasn't kept up with its early success.
To me that has less to do with the particular talent than the state of the industry. Interconnected, convoluted messes are the norm from both major companies. And even a full reboot isn't going to give more than a couple of years respite from that sorry state. The bat-books history became more convoluted than ever with the Nu52 even before the first issues were out. DC as a whole may be less complicated than before, but in 3-5 years they'll be right back where they were this past decade. The same will happen to Marvel if they have a full reboot.
Killing Supergirl was the great wrong that came out of COIE, even as crippling Barbara Gordon was the other great wrong that's been happily removed. I am glad to be rid of these things.
And what COIE says mostly is that restarting an entire fictional universe is a bad idea. Once that precedent is set, it becomes too tempting to do again.
Superhero comic books only become art to the extent that their banal, unrealistic fantasy and garish styles go too far and become interesting. Attempts to ground them in reality can only ruin them.