Worlds' Finest #6 Preview/Discussion

[LoneNecromancer]

I'm sorry, but fake Power Girl is not going to get the drop on Damian. The kid is a killing machine. He would have snatched her up by her leg in a blink. Stupid stupid scene and totally undercuts the natural threat that Damian is in his own book. Crap writing and too much Mary Sue work with Power Girl.

I dunno if you're taking the piss or not but that's ridiculous. We're talking a Kryptonian here. If Scarlet could get the drop on him (as well as a number of people, historically with moments where he's gotten too big for his boots) I don't see why someone who can fly and has super-speed and strength can't.

[reubs]

This book isn't terrible, and I hope I'm not being sexist in saying this, but I really wish we could get some women writing the female characters, especially on this book. I loved the bit with Huntress at the "Take back the Night" rally, and that's an interesting counter to Karen's attempts to use her sexuality. I like that dynamic, and it kind of makes me wish for a good book with Helena/Huntress moreso than this team book.

If they ever meet up with Batgirl or the Birds of Prey, that could be cool. Right now, though, a meet-up with Batman or Superman would have to be so well done to be believable that I'm not sure the folks putting together the book could pull it off.

I'll keep reading the solicits each month, hoping for it to get better. I may be at the point where I'm waiting for the trades soon, though.

[Mark_S]

I think the point of this issue is that they really can't stay away from the rest of the superhero community forever. I also think that PG is the one who's most insistent on that. Part of that is I think that PG has lost her Superman and she was Supergirl so she has no desire to meet what she probably consider cheap knock-offs anymore than Huntress wants to meet Catwoman. It brings back too many painful memories and reminds them how alien they are to the world that they are now in.

[Desean101101]

This book isn't terrible, and I hope I'm not being sexist in saying this, but I really wish we could get some women writing the female characters, especially on this book. I loved the bit with Huntress at the "Take back the Night" rally, and that's an interesting counter to Karen's attempts to use her sexuality. I like that dynamic, and it kind of makes me wish for a good book with Helena/Huntress moreso than this team book.

If they ever meet up with Batgirl or the Birds of Prey, that could be cool. Right now, though, a meet-up with Batman or Superman would have to be so well done to be believable that I'm not sure the folks putting together the book could pull it off.

I'll keep reading the solicits each month, hoping for it to get better. I may be at the point where I'm waiting for the trades soon, though.

What women Writer would you put on the book? Besides Gail Simone because the women can't do every female character.

[Rakzo]

This issue was'nt half bad but my props go to Maguire's art as usual, the parts drawn by Perez were awkward as usual.

The story itself was'nt as boring as in the previous 6 issues but it was'nt great either, merely okay. PG is still awful though.

What women Writer would you put on the book? Besides Gail Simone because the women can't do every female character.

I think Christy Marx would do a good job, Amanda Conner too seeing how she's co-writing Silk Spectre and that's one of the best Before Watchmen books.

[dupersuper]

Whatever happened to Rachel Pollack? We could get Power Girl and Huntress Vs. Codpiece...

[Sacred Knight]

I dunno if you're taking the piss or not but that's ridiculous. We're talking a Kryptonian here. If Scarlet could get the drop on him (as well as a number of people, historically with moments where he's gotten too big for his boots) I don't see why someone who can fly and has super-speed and strength can't.

Agreed. Taking issue with a seasoned Kryptonian wonder (to use the Earth 2 term) getting the drop on a ten year old is nuts. I don't care that he's been built as a martial arts machine since birth, he's not trained for that kind of speed in a person. It would be Mary Sue writing on the part of Damian if he sensed that coming, not the other way around. Hell the fact his ego wasn't damaged at all by it pretty much spells out that he knows her being an obvious meta leave no shame in his not being quick enough.

Also, Helena has not met the family because there is no family to meet. They're not her family. "Not-home". "Not-dad." Her feelings are clear and she's not wrong. This is doppleganger town. She may be more open to this world than Karen is but this Bruce is not her father, this Selina is not her mother and these Robins are not her brothers. She'll probably develop relationships with some of them over time but that will develop organically and not by default (and yes I'm including the five year timeline in that...I can't fathom why some can't consider that it might take a long time for these two to want anything to do with people who are, to them, somewhat familiar copies of their real loved ones). The brief cameo by Supergirl I think foreshadows something similar with Karen; relationships with these people possibly growing over time from circumstance, not because of some odd notion that they have to. Bonds don't nor should automatically exist here. They'll have to be built on their own unique merits.

In any case I thought this was a fine issue. There's an actual plot going on so I'll take it, and dare I say a future one in development with whatever happened to that sattelite (boomed to Earth 2 maybe?).

[The Darknight Detective]

I dunno if you're taking the piss or not but that's ridiculous. We're talking a Kryptonian here. If Scarlet could get the drop on him (as well as a number of people, historically with moments where he's gotten too big for his boots) I don't see why someone who can fly and has super-speed and strength can't.

Agreed. Unless he can neutralize her powers somehow, there's absolutely no way Damian should best Karen in any encounter.

[Harbinger of Apocalypse]

Agreed. Taking issue with a seasoned Kryptonian wonder (to use the Earth 2 term) getting the drop on a ten year old is nuts. I don't care that he's been built as a martial arts machine since birth, he's not trained for that kind of speed in a person. It would be Mary Sue writing on the part of Damian if he sensed that coming, not the other way around. Hell the fact his ego wasn't damaged at all by it pretty much spells out that he knows her being an obvious meta leave no shame in his not being quick enough.

Indeed, would have been completely unbelievable if Damian had bested Power Girl as well... if anything, the fact that Huntress was losing and getting beaten up was a good take that Damian was the more vicious combatant that allowed his victory. It was only the arrival of a superpowered being that he was just outclassed.

[Lemurion]

I'm sorry, but fake Power Girl is not going to get the drop on Damian. The kid is a killing machine. He would have snatched her up by her leg in a blink. Stupid stupid scene and totally undercuts the natural threat that Damian is in his own book. Crap writing and too much Mary Sue work with Power Girl.

I think you may be letting your dislike blind you to the text. This Power Girl is an adult Kryptonian with an unknown amount of front line combat experience from the Apokolips War on Earth 2. Given the nature of Earth 2's war, it may be argued that she has more life-or-death combat experience than Superman. She has also demonstrated the ability to lift a full oil-tanker, fly at speeds in excess of 17,000 mph (required to match orbits with a satellite), and survive re-entry.

Damian's greatest combat virtue is that he's as vicious as a rabid wolverine (the animal). He's just plain nasty when he fights. He's also physically weaker than any adult human in good condition, and no match at all for a trained Kryptonian. He was beating Huntress because he wasn't holding back at all and she was. As for Damian vs. Power Girl, the idea that he's being "jobbed" because he is unable to get the drop on someone who he cannot physically hurt and who can move at speeds that are orders of magnitude faster than his own nerve impulses is at best ludicrous, if not actively moronic.

The fact that Superman can flat out pound Batman into paste with one punch does not undercut Batman's own natural threat level. Batman can only beat Superman on a psychological level. He is going to lose every physical contest. It is the same thing here.

As for your "he would have snatched her up by her leg in a blink," theory:
1) He's not fast enough. She has super-speed and could have him down well before the nerve impulses left the base of his brain.
2) He's not strong enough. She can dead lift an oil tanker, that's around a quarter-million tons, and he'd be lucky to do 250 lbs.
3) He can't offset her flight. It doesn't matter what leverage he gets, her flight power lets her control her orientation.

If he'd tried it, and she'd let him, he would have been the one moving, not her.

I also just flat out reject the notion that Huntress hasn't met the family yet. If she isn't an active member of the bat family, then she may as well not exist. This is another corner of the reboot that just needs to go away.

Think about the psychology for a minute. From Helena's perspective these people are not only not her parents, but they are bad copies of them. The Bat family are the LAST people she would want anything to do with. Her loving mother has been replaced by a thief. Her father has been replaced by someone who is training boys to fill her role. Someone who required extensive persuasion to allow her out has been replaced by a carbon copy who is enlisting random boys in his war on crime?

The pain of losing her family and world is bad enough, but to see them replaced by what to her eyes are inferior copies? Why would she want to be part of that "family?"

[Mark_S]

I think the main reason Hellena was loosing was because she wasn't trying to hurt him while he was having no problem trying to kill her.

I also keep wondering if Stormwatch knows about the girls.