Superman: Earth One Vol. 2 **SPOILERS**

**clownprince01** · 11-04-2012, 04:38 AM

I forgot to mention above; one thing I do love that JMS is doing is apparently finishing each volume with a newspaper article by Clark and Lois. It's a nice little touch given that Clark's journalist side is ignored too often nowadays (although I support the idea of Clark quitting The Daily Planet in the New 52, but that's a whole other matter). And even though I thought everything with Eddie was a tad bland beforehand, the inclusion of the feature article at the end just made it work.

And mercifully, JMS avoided another Clark interviewing Superman article which was wrong for so many reasons. I mean, putting journalism ethics aside (if such as thing can be said to exist. Looking at you Rupert Murdoch), how lame do you have to be to interview yourself?

On a side note, does anyone else think Eddie looked a lot like Kurt Cobain?

**ascended** · 11-04-2012, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by DarkKnghtJared

It wasn't so much the near-nakedness so much as a woman deciding to "get more comfortable" by putting on a see-through teddy. It just seemed like a stretch to me when Lisa basically knew she had this guy hook, line and sinker from moment one.

Well, that's true in that most women wouldnt see the need to go that far. But I have known a few (all redheads, strangely, and almost all of them strippers) who fit this bill. I dont know if they just get off on completely overkilling the guy's mind, or if they're just crazy, or what. I mean, obviously this Lisa is damaged, and so were the girls I knew. Either way, its something that you wont get with most women, but there are a few out there....and you know what? God bless them. Young men have to learn somewhere.

**ascended** · 11-04-2012, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by clownprince01

I forgot to mention above; one thing I do love that JMS is doing is apparently finishing each volume with a newspaper article by Clark and Lois. It's a nice little touch given that Clark's journalist side is ignored too often nowadays (although I support the idea of Clark quitting The Daily Planet in the New 52, but that's a whole other matter). And even though I thought everything with Eddie was a tad bland beforehand, the inclusion of the feature article at the end just made it work.

And mercifully, JMS avoided another Clark interviewing Superman article which was wrong for so many reasons. I mean, putting journalism ethics aside (if such as thing can be said to exist. Looking at you Rupert Murdoch), how lame do you have to be to interview yourself?

On a side note, does anyone else think Eddie looked a lot like Kurt Cobain?

Oh yeah. I was a huge Nirvana fan. Still am, really. Im actually surprised that JMS didnt have Eddie singing "Lithium" or "Pennyroyal Tea" or something. But then, given the generation gap, JMS might not know those songs.

**misslane38** · 11-04-2012, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by ascended

Well, that's true in that most women wouldnt see the need to go that far. But I have known a few (all redheads, strangely, and almost all of them strippers) who fit this bill. I dont know if they just get off on completely overkilling the guy's mind, or if they're just crazy, or what. I mean, obviously this Lisa is damaged, and so were the girls I knew. Either way, its something that you wont get with most women, but there are a few out there....and you know what? God bless them. Young men have to learn somewhere.

Young men have to learn what from whom? They have to learn about the opposite sex and sexual relations from damaged women, probably sex workers of some kind? What a disturbing thought. Young men do have to learn about sex, but ideally it shouldn't have to be via the means you've articulated, as far as I'm concerned.

**Vidocq** · 11-04-2012, 02:15 PM

I quite liked it, I had no idea about it other than Parasite will be the villain so I let me tell you that the book works better in execution than in concept. It had many, many flaws and I kind of wish parasite had a bigger role, something related to the subplots maybe, because considering all the character study done it seemed like it was on the way. Parasite was the subplot.

Lisa is a bit to close to the Manic Pixie Dream Girl for my taste. Though the prostitute revelation makes it better in retrospect. Like a defense mechanism to deal with her loneliness, there is a much darker past right there.

No, this Superman is not Jesus and that's GREAT. It's different, that's the whole point of an Elseworlds, Jesusman is flying happily in the Nu52. This is a more cynic world and Clark is just reacting to it, but he is still better than it and he thrives to change it. There is a lot of humanity in the book, is what I'm getting at, it is very awkwardly done at places but still good.

Overall, I give it a 7/10.

**dornwolf** · 11-04-2012, 03:21 PM

Since I enjoyed the first book this one wasn't needing to impress me all that much. The things I did notice, we're that before the reboot I know DD and Lee where always saying Nu-52 Superman was with drawn and a loner and all that which Grant Morrison had to come out and say was false, I think the character they described then is this guy. If you look at the books like tv episodes or mini-movies or what not the loner attitude works, as Clark is shown and described as a loner something we see evolve later. The Lisa thing, meh, to be honest I never bought it as a love-thing, and by the end when they decide to still be friends that's where it works to me they came off way more as friends and that really is what Clark in the book needs more. As for the hooker, just kinda weird really. Parasite as a villain, was good the design was great the fight it self kinda meh but we're getting there. The Luthor Squared is definitely an interesting twist and kinda weird to see Lex being the "But he's a good guy" view. Really the one thing that really took me out of it and was bizarre, was Lois shelving her search into Clark, her reasoning just didn't jive with the way she was portrayed earlier in the book. Also the Batman cameo, laying the threads Marvel movie style, great way to expand little by little the universe.

**RoughNTumble** · 11-04-2012, 09:05 PM

have JMS or shane davis said anything about vol. 3?

**Russell** · 11-04-2012, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by LoneNecromancer

Marvel don't put big talent on their Season One books and they don't come close to how well the Earth One books sell.

Part marketing, and Marvel's books aren't anything new.
They are basically 'untold tales' or 'between-the-scenes' origin stories aimed at making people buy the monthly comics.
If they were completely new beginnings, maybe they'd sell better.

**misslane38** · 11-04-2012, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by dornwolf

Really the one thing that really took me out of it and was bizarre, was Lois shelving her search into Clark, her reasoning just didn't jive with the way she was portrayed earlier in the book.

How so? What was the contradiction?

**Flash Gordon** · 11-04-2012, 10:45 PM

Marvel don't put big talent on their Season One books and they don't come close to how well the Earth One books sell.

Marvel's Season One is merely re-telling older stories, it's not the same animal.

I think it's great that the Earth One books have been selling though. Even if I don't really care for this Superman, or JMS and Shane Davis, I'll support it if it's getting Superman out there. Maybe someone will read this and then find their way to better things, ya know?

**dornwolf** · 11-05-2012, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by misslane38

How so? What was the contradiction?

Well for me it was that she spent so much time doing all of it, from deciding to begin the search by throwing her "date" out the door, hacking into the personal records at work, phoning the teacher, all of this she does only to shelf it because...she heard Perry tearing Clark a new one on the difference between journalism and a feature that somehow caused her to feel bad about Clarks childhood? If they had been shown to be great friends before hand this would make sense but they don't even communicate she's been shown to be competitive and put work first that just didn't jive with the result. And there is no doubt in my mind that they will become great friends or closer than boom that little number comes back.

@RoughNTumble

have JMS or shane davis said anything about vol. 3?

Other than there is in fact a vol.3 no...

**Desaad** · 11-05-2012, 07:51 AM

Shane Davis won't be a part of it, thankfully, but JMS is already writing it.

**super1man** · 11-05-2012, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by dornwolf

Well for me it was that she spent so much time doing all of it, from deciding to begin the search by throwing her "date" out the door, hacking into the personal records at work, phoning the teacher, all of this she does only to shelf it because...she heard Perry tearing Clark a new one on the difference between journalism and a feature that somehow caused her to feel bad about Clarks childhood? If they had been shown to be great friends before hand this would make sense but they don't even communicate she's been shown to be competitive and put work first that just didn't jive with the result. And there is no doubt in my mind that they will become great friends or closer than boom that little number comes back.

@RoughNTumble

have JMS or shane davis said anything about vol. 3?

Other than there is in fact a vol.3 no...

Reading the subtexts Lois already knows Clark is SUperman and hence abandoned writing about it because of her compassion; paralleling Perry's speech to Clark. Also proved by Clark being shocked into dropping the phone when he scans Lois' desk and reads her reports on him.

**ascended** · 11-05-2012, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by misslane38

Young men have to learn what from whom? They have to learn about the opposite sex and sexual relations from damaged women, probably sex workers of some kind? What a disturbing thought. Young men do have to learn about sex, but ideally it shouldn't have to be via the means you've articulated, as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, misslane38, how you took my statement the wrong way!

Yeah, young men have to learn about sex. With luck they will learn about proper protection and use of condoms and STD prevention and all the rest. Gods willing, they might even learn how to treat a woman right and what circumstances truly warrant the loss of virginity. And just so we are clear, I am not saying Clark's situation with Lisa was one of those. In fact, as far as the loss of virginity goes, thats about as far from optimum as you can get.

Young men have to learn though, and more often than not the "perfect experiences" are simply a myth. So you learn what you can, glean what wisdom you can manage, and move on to (hopefully) better things. Better things in this case likely being Lois Lane.

My statement was largely sarcastic.

**adkal** · 11-05-2012, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by super1man

...Clark being shocked into dropping the phone when he scans Lois' desk and reads her reports on him.

I'll have to go back and check, but I thought he'd already hung up and Lois had placed the file in the cabinet, not on her desk...

I don't think this Lois knows yet (the over in Family, however...heh )