The question of Bishop and Cable's roles regarding Hope

[remydat]

We aren't talking about never once abusing your powers. She had a psychic hold over them that persisted for weeks.

Like I said, people you trusted. Omega Sentinel was not one of them.

Havok is not some guy that just on a desk job for this. Other people hired him for teamleader position prior to this. Cap DID look him up. There were other things noted about him then his natural Summersness.

Right, Bobby had fallen in hopeless romantic love with Mystique, Annie was a quick screw. That's not being baised at all. Even without the heavy psychic suggestion that Carter was doing, I'd like to remind you that Polaris and Havok were not in a relationship. He came out of his coma (prior to which they weren't in a relationship either) and she instantly proposed.

I didn't read a lot of the stuff she was in so if I am mistaken let me know but I was under the impression Hope was not fully aware that she had a psychic hold over them the entire time. It's not like her powers came with a manual that told her when she was using them and when she wasn't. I only remember a few times when she was actively aware she was controlling them.

Omega Sentinel was possessed by Malice. No one knew she was and I see no reason why they shouldn't have trusted her. She had been free of her Sentinel Programming for a while and was a police officer and law abiding person for many years. What exactly do you think was untrustworthy about her?

Yes there were other things noted and if they were the main things then Marvel should not have mentioned his connection to Summers at all. We know he is a Summers, there is no need to bring it up as part of his selection as team leader and doing so only reinforces the idea that the main reason he was chosen was because of his name. Again, that is not my fault that is Marvel's fault for bringing it up when they did not have to.

Bobby was single when he fell in love with Mystique. Polaris proposed. If he didn't want to be in a relationship with her then he should have said no or that he needed more time. Any psychic suggestion by Carter did not prevent him from telling Polaris no and in fact if anything should have made it easier for him to tell her no or that he needed more time. The fact he did not is entirely on him. Now again, this was a long time ago so if there was something in the comic that I forgot that explains why he could not have refused Polaris' offer let me know.

[DurararaFTW]

I didn't read a lot of the stuff she was in so if I am mistaken let me know but I was under the impression Hope was not fully aware that she had a psychic hold over them the entire time. It's not like her powers came with a manual that told her when she was using them and when she wasn't. I only remember a few times when she was actively aware she was controlling them.

Omega Sentinel was possessed by Malice. No one knew she was and I see no reason why they shouldn't have trusted her. She had been free of her Sentinel Programming for a while and was a police officer and law abiding person for many years. What exactly do you think was untrustworthy about her?

Yes there were other things noted and if they were the main things then Marvel should not have mentioned his connection to Summers at all. We know he is a Summers, there is no need to bring it up as part of his selection as team leader and doing so only reinforces the idea that the main reason he was chosen was because of his name. Again, that is not my fault that is Marvel's fault for bringing it up when they did not have to.

Bobby was single when he fell in love with Mystique. Polaris proposed. If he didn't want to be in a relationship with her then he should have said no or that he needed more time. Any psychic suggestion by Carter did not prevent him from telling Polaris no and in fact if anything should have made it easier for him to tell her no or that he needed more time. The fact he did not is entirely on him. Now again, this was a long time ago so if there was something in the comic that I forgot that explains why he could not have refused Polaris' offer let me know.

We know putting a gun to her head and Transonic spelling the situation out was not initially enough to persuade Hope to do something about it, nor did the dialogue imply this was the first she heard about it.

And when Rogue recruited Karima for her team, she was JUST broken out of a lab that broke her down and built her back up. Her time as a police was before all this. She was a complete unknown quality.

Him being a Summers is why they feel he'd be good for PR, and show that Avengers only have a problem with Scott and all that. Doesn't mean it's his sole or even main qualification as a teamleader.

Yeah, going through with the wedding at all is Alex' stupid fault (I feel jumping someone with a proposal hours, if that after he woke up from a coma and expecting a lucid answer is unreasonable), but Carter was still doing his thing on Haavok after he had started being an X-Man again, his made up love with Annie got worse after his initia reawakening.

As for why he agreed to the wedding at all, I imagine it had something to do with having left a wife and a kid behind in Mutant X, though I dunno if that was put forward in the text.

[bluedmighty]

I am confused by your post. You say "this" as if you agree that it was important to link Hope to the Summers-Grey clan but then you go on to say Hope isn't really a Summers and the Summers-Grey clan doesn't hold a monopoly on the PF. Well that is precisely my point. Linking Hope to the Summers-Grey Clan turned out to be pretty damn pointless so I fail to see why it was important for them to do so.

This, in terms of the writers forcing readers to associate Hope with the "Grey/Summers clan" in order to push the character. Not that it made any REAL in story sense. To be clear I do not agree that it was important. I also don't agree that the "Summers/Grey clan" are somehow intrinsically more important to mutant kind than anyone else.

[remydat]

We know putting a gun to her head and Transonic spelling the situation out was not initially enough to persuade Hope to do something about it, nor did the dialogue imply this was the first she heard about it.

And when Rogue recruited Karima for her team, she was JUST broken out of a lab that broke her down and built her back up. Her time as a police was before all this. She was a complete unknown quality.

Him being a Summers is why they feel he'd be good for PR, and show that Avengers only have a problem with Scott and all that. Doesn't mean it's his sole or even main qualification as a teamleader.

Yeah, going through with the wedding at all is Alex' stupid fault (I feel jumping someone with a proposal hours, if that after he woke up from a coma and expecting a lucid answer is unreasonable), but Carter was still doing his thing on Haavok after he had started being an X-Man again, his made up love with Annie got worse after his initia reawakening.

As for why he agreed to the wedding at all, I imagine it had something to do with having left a wife and a kid behind in Mutant X, though I dunno if that was put forward in the text.

Do something like what? Was this some voluntary thing she could cut on and off or is she a kid who doesn't quite understand or know how to fully control her powers. What adult was teaching her? They were playing with guns and learning combat not necessarily being expertly trained in their powers.

So what team should Karima have been on? Look, Karima had done nothing to be distrusted. And even if Karima had been best friends with everyone, how exactly was that going to prevent Malice from taking possession of her especially when Malice as far as I am aware hadn't run into the X-men in a long time and had neve possessed what was essentially a Sentinel before?

When you go around saying you want to hire someone because they are the brother of someone then you leave yourself open to criticism. That is on Marvel. Everyone knew he is a Summers, there was no reason for them to have mention it but his doing so made it look like dubious.

Of course Polaris was unreasonable, she is a crazy chic who thought she may have lost the love of her life. Even more reason for Alex to calm her ass down. He is an adult. I don't see how he should get a pass while you are holding Hope a kid to task for her poor choices. Carter's influence had nothing to do with him not telling Polaris to chill because once again if anything it would have made him more likely to do it. So him not doing it is all on him.