Disney Buys Lucasfilm, Announces New "Star Wars" Movie For 2015

[verslibre]

This reminds me of Dar and Kiri (played by supahot Tanya Roberts) getting their freak on in The Beastmaster. At the end of the movie they realize they are brother and sister, but the fact that they screwed is never brought up. Dar beats Maax and "all is well." In the DVD commentary, Don Coscarelli laughs in acknowledgement of their failure to address that aspect when the film was made.

[Guapo Méndez]

Everyone is acting like Luke and Lea both knew that they were brother and sister. If you check in the long history of the world, there have been MANY recorded instances of separated at birth siblings falling in love and then discovering their relationship. And it destroys the romantic love. Luke and Lea were not in love at any time. There was an attachment that neither could explain, but it was never a romantic love. The kisses were more of a friendly nature except for the one kiss in Empire where Lea was trying to make a point to Han. But still, neither knew that they were siblings. So stop being such a prude about it.

It was not an attachment neither could explain. That was the half-assed excuse they gave when they decided Leia was going to be Luke's long lost sister in TESB-ROTJ. But they had already laid the groundwork on the Luke-Leia-Han triangle. There is no denying that. Just like when we find out in ROTJ that they are brother and sister, we went "waitaminute, didn't you two kiss in that movie not three years ago?

And prude? If you have a sister, do me a favor and kiss her like Leia kissed Luke and then tell me if I'm being a prude or not.

Ok, changing his mind about Luke and Lea has NOTHING... ZERO... ZIP... NADA... absolutely nothing to do with the prequels. You are trying to take an argument about changed plans in the original trilogy and apply it to the prequel trilogy. ANd if anything, the prequel trilogy was MORE planned out the the original trilogy because the dialog from the original trilogy pretty much mapped out the events that had to happen in the prequels. They just had to be more fleshed out.

But they don't fit.
We were told Obi-Wan trained Vader and Yoda trained Obi-Wan. The prequels gave us Qui-Gon Jinn and Yoda only trained younglings. We didn't know there were younglings in the first place.
We got Luke being trained by Yoda. The prequels gave us age limits.
We got a family strong in the Force. The prequels gave us Jedis could not have/be part of families.
We knew Anakin was a Jedi (no special birth circumstances whatsoever) and was betrayed and slain by Vader. The prequels gave us a prophecy and Vader was conceived via the Force.
We knew Anakin was a great pilot. The prequels gave us a 9 year old pod racer.
We knew Leia remembered her mother as being very sad (made sense if you were Vader's wife). The prequels killed Amidala and made Leia's memories some sort of Force recall.
We knew the Empire hunted down the Jedi to extinction. The prequels gave us an ineffective assembly of morons who wouldn't know being guardians of peace in the galaxy if it bit them in the ass.
We knew Jedis could not affect strong minded individuals, like Jabba. The prequels gave us Watto.
We knew The Force and the Jedis were a religion. The prequels gave us midichlorians.

I could go on and on, but the prequels are not better planned. They run roughsod over everything set in the OT.

[ChrisIII]

Judging by AOTC's line, Yoda did 'field train' Dooku and probably a few others as well. Some of the early versions of the screenplay did have Obi-Wan initially traveling alone as a full knight, with Qui-Gon only a supporting character who didn't join the action until later on. However I suppose Lucas wanted somebody for Obi-Wan to talk to for the first twenty minutes or so (I don't think the Yoda puppet would've worked with this), and also Liam Neeson was interested in the film so he beefed up the Qui-Gon role. A similar thing happened with Dooku, he was going to be more of a minor character (Perhaps a foil for a different Sith villain) but then Lee got hired and the count and Sith lord roles were merged.

The Jedi limit was mentioned in The Empire Strikes Back.

Anakin's piloting skills were shown off well in AOTC and ROTS (As well as a lot of Clone Wars stuff), but you're right partially, the line was that he was "already" a great pilot when Obi-Wan met him.


One thing I think the films should've shown us was a more 'reckless' Obi-Wan (As Yoda and Obi-Wan mention in ESB), the films have him pretty much already being a very by-the-book Jedi (Although there is some evidence that he's known all along about Anakin and Padme's relationship, at least by ROTS. There was going to be a lot more on this but Lucas deleted those scenes.) The most reckless we see him is during the Maul fight-and that's pretty much it. If anything, Qui-Gon is more reckless, something that is probably leftover from the script where Obi-Wan did most of Qui-Gon's role in the film.

[Guapo Méndez]

Judging by AOTC's line, Yoda did 'field train' Dooku and probably a few others as well.

Yes, this is good. Yoda was the trainer and Obi-Wan simply thought he could be as good as Yoda. Which means he wasn't in some sort of training position.

Some of the early versions of the screenplay did have Obi-Wan initially traveling alone as a full knight, with Qui-Gon only a supporting character who didn't join the action until later on. However I suppose Lucas wanted somebody for Obi-Wan to talk to for the first twenty minutes or so (I don't think the Yoda puppet would've worked with this), and also Liam Neeson was interested in the film so he beefed up the Qui-Gon role.

Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jinn are Obi-Wan split into two characters.

A similar thing happened with Dooku, he was going to be more of a minor character (Perhaps a foil for a different Sith villain) but then Lee got hired and the count and Sith lord roles were merged.

Because they wasted a good villain in TPM. Darth Maul and his double-sided lightsaber were the best thing in the trailers. When we saw Jar-Jar had more lines than him...ow.

The Jedi limit was mentioned in The Empire Strikes Back.

First Yoda says he's not patient.
Then that he's angry.
Then that he's not ready.
Then it's deepest commitment and most serious mind.
Then that his mind is always on the future, not where he is now or what he is doing.
(we gloss over the fact that Yoda kept tabs on him, via Big Force Brother).
Then that he's reckless.
Then that he's too old.

Seventh reason.

Anakin's piloting skills were shown off well in AOTC and ROTS (As well as a lot of Clone Wars stuff), but you're right partially, the line was that he was "already" a great pilot when Obi-Wan met him.

Yep, and at that point, all he did was drive a land-locked vehicle and finishing the race for the first time.

One thing I think the films should've shown us was a more 'reckless' Obi-Wan (As Yoda and Obi-Wan mention in ESB), the films have him pretty much already being a very by-the-book Jedi (Although there is some evidence that he's known all along about Anakin and Padme's relationship, at least by ROTS. There was going to be a lot more on this but Lucas deleted those scenes.) The most reckless we see him is during the Maul fight-and that's pretty much it. If anything, Qui-Gon is more reckless, something that is probably leftover from the script where Obi-Wan did most of Qui-Gon's role in the film.

Indeed. I love Liam Neeson to death, but we just needed Obi-Wan Kenobi.

[verslibre]

Because they wasted a good villain in TPM. Darth Maul and his double-sided lightsaber were the best thing in the trailers. When we saw Jar-Jar had more lines than him...ow.

Yeah, that blew, but it was consistent with Luca$'s shameless recycling of events from the first movie aka ANH. Vader sabered Obi-wan, so Maul sabered Qui-gonn.

And then the lackey screamed NOOOOOOO!!!

[sherlockbones]

is it too early to start an anti kyp durron petition?
cause i hate him
and and he sucks
he has godlike jedi powers
without training
he´s a human death star
and his backstory is so hardbreaking it makes me wanna smoke crack

join the hate

only redeeming quality might be: it´s the EU author´s secret anakin parody

[Phil Clark]

And prude? If you have a sister, do me a favor and kiss her like Leia kissed Luke and then tell me if I'm being a prude or not.

Get this through your thick, overly prudish and opinionated skull. Luke and Lea didn't know they were siblings. There is a HUGE difference between siblings who grew up together kissing and total strangers that discover after a kiss that they are blood relatives.

And as I said, aside from the one kiss to prove a point to Han, Lea (who always was the one to initiate the kiss) only kissed luke the way a friend might kiss another friend. Kind of a granny kiss. Close mouthed and quick on either the cheek or the lips. But I never got the impression that Lea had any romantic feelings for Luke in the least. SO GET OVER IT!!!

[verslibre]

Is it unreasonable to presume Leia gave Luke a hummer after the ceremony at the end of ANH?

[SephirothDZX]

Is it unreasonable to presume Leia gave Luke a hummer after the ceremony at the end of ANH?

I always kind of figured the Rebels high tailed it out of there right after the ceremony at the end of ANH, because the rest of the Empire would be coming.

[verslibre]

I always kind of figured the Rebels high tailed it out of there right after the ceremony at the end of ANH, because the rest of the Empire would be coming.

BSG 2.0 showed us real fighters always find time to frakk.

[Phil Clark]

But they don't fit.
We were told Obi-Wan trained Vader and Yoda trained Obi-Wan. The prequels gave us Qui-Gon Jinn and Yoda only trained younglings. We didn't know there were younglings in the first place.

So there is NO room in the story for Yoda having trained Obi-Wan first, then Qui-Gon taking on the adult Obi-Wan and completing his training? YOU are assuming that a Jedi can only have one master in his life long training. That is a narrow view.

We got Luke being trained by Yoda. The prequels gave us age limits.

The age limit was set up by Yoda in Empire. Yoda declares "Too old... too old to begin the training". Seems your memory is being selective.

We got a family strong in the Force. The prequels gave us Jedis could not have/be part of families.

And the two concepts are not mutually exclusive Jedi who are trained from an early age never question the No Families rule. Anakin and Luke being older and already having families would naturally question and go against that. This point is just fanboy whining.

We knew Anakin was a Jedi (no special birth circumstances whatsoever) and was betrayed and slain by Vader. The prequels gave us a prophecy and Vader was conceived via the Force.

So in the short time together we are to assume that Ben could have or would have told Luke everything about Anakin? Not bloody likely, there was too much more important stuff going on for Ben to cloud Lukes mind with some of those facts.

We knew Anakin was a great pilot. The prequels gave us a 9 year old pod racer.

The prequels gave us a 9 year old natural pilot who by the end of Phantom Menace was piloting a naboo fighter and helped destroy the control ship. And then expanded those skills in AOTC and ROTS.

We knew Leia remembered her mother as being very sad (made sense if you were Vader's wife). The prequels killed Amidala and made Leia's memories some sort of Force recall.

Really? Maybe she has and eidetic memory. Or maybe her adoptive mother died when she was young and that is who she was talking about. Hard to say for sure. But it is a nitpick on your part.

We knew the Empire hunted down the Jedi to extinction. The prequels gave us an ineffective assembly of morons who wouldn't know being guardians of peace in the galaxy if it bit them in the ass.

Inefec... Moro...Now your just being pedantic. The Jedi with the Clone army took out much of the republics/empires forces in battle. Please.

We knew Jedis could not affect strong minded individuals, like Jabba. The prequels gave us Watto.

Tidarians are not strong minded? Your arguements are growing thin.

We knew The Force and the Jedis were a religion. The prequels gave us midichlorians.

Again, not mutually exclusive.

I could go on and on, but the prequels are not better planned. They run roughsod over everything set in the OT.

From your clouded and biased view on things, sure... but not really. The prequels expanded on what we already knew, then didn't run roughshod over everything set up in the original trilogy. Not unless you are going to just dig and justify and twist what both trilogies did to make it fit your opinions.

[Phil Clark]

Is it unreasonable to presume Leia gave Luke a hummer after the ceremony at the end of ANH?

Yes it is. Save that stuff for the Star Wars Porn Parody.

[sherlockbones]

The age limit was set up by Yoda in Empire. Yoda declares "Too old... too old to begin the training". Seems your memory is being selective.

9 year old to 20-22 year old really compares well ... it´s just a cheap recycling of a vague OT motiv
ADMIT IT :D

[verslibre]

Yes it is. Save that stuff for the Star Wars Porn Parody.

I don't waste my time with those, regardless of light sabers and Dark Knights.

[Phil Clark]

9 year old to 20-22 year old really compares well ... it´s just a cheap recycling of a vague OT motiv
ADMIT IT :D

The original point was that the Prequels gave us age limits. I called BS on that as it was set up in Empire. Never once in Empire or any of the films was a specific age to start training ever mentioned. So go ahead and guess about it, but both anakin at 9 and Luke at 20 were too old to be trained according to Master Yoda. The younglings appeared to be between 3-6, but those are just the ones who were able to stand an wield a saber. The training could begin as early as 1. But it is guesswork. Anyway... the point is that age limits on training are not a product of the prequels.

So there...