Disney Buys Lucasfilm, Announces New "Star Wars" Movie For 2015

[Vibranium]

I would give up on that. It is kind of like trying to steer an asteroid. You can expend a lot of effort, but it just aint gonna change direction.

Or as Blade put it succinctly... "Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill".

I just find it weird that no one wants to prognosticate as to what may happen and is overtly concerned with the prequels and interpretations of feelings and trying to explain what Lucas meant or didn't mean

[Phil Clark]

There has been plenty of prognostication over what may happen. The thing is that it is kind of a pointless conversation. People want EU stuff. Lucasfilm/Disney isn't going to go that route for 7-9. But they MAY go that route for the various spinoff films that seem to be also in development by Kasdan and the other screenwriter whos name escapes me right now. But it is all guesswork.

Fanboys would rather bicker about what has already been done, and done badly in their opinion. It gives them more power.

[Vibranium]

There has been plenty of prognostication over what may happen. The thing is that it is kind of a pointless conversation. People want EU stuff. Lucasfilm/Disney isn't going to go that route for 7-9. But they MAY go that route for the various spinoff films that seem to be also in development by Kasdan and the other screenwriter whos name escapes me right now. But it is all guesswork.

Fanboys would rather bicker about what has already been done, and done badly in their opinion. It gives them more power.

In a lot of those conversations, it seems like the fans think they are OWED EU stuff for future projects

[Phil Clark]

I know. Those aren't fans, the are Fanboys. Self-Entitled spoiled fans who think they know better what should be done in the future movies than the people who have been making movies for longer than they (the fanboys) have been alive.

[Vibranium]

I know. Those aren't fans, the are Fanboys. Self-Entitled spoiled fans who think they know better what should be done in the future movies than the people who have been making movies for longer than they (the fanboys) have been alive.

indeed...Id love to see one of them try and run a set on a big budget production for a day....they would curl up into a ball and never stop crying

[Phil Clark]

Oh, can we do that please? Pretty please? And film it. It could air as a reality show called "Fanboy: Scared sensible".

[verslibre]

Fanboys

Funny movie. I loved the last line, when they were sitting in the theater before TPM started: "What if it sucks?"

[verslibre]

indeed...Id love to see one of them try and run a set on a big budget production for a day...

Pretty much how I feel about the myriad armchair critics of Nolan's Batman. Actually, I'd like to see them perform an arguably harder feat: write something decent.

[SephirothDZX]

Funny movie. I loved the last line, when they were sitting in the theater before TPM started: "What if it sucks?"

If any of you have seen The People vs George Lucas, some people ask some Star Wars fans that exact same question while they waited in line for TPM. The responses I thought were pretty funny.

[Vibranium]

If any of you have seen The People vs George Lucas, some people ask some Star Wars fans that exact same question while they waited in line for TPM. The responses I thought were pretty funny.

thats on Netflix now, I may watch it tonight

[SephirothDZX]

thats on Netflix now, I may watch it tonight

I thought it was pretty good actually. The title makes it sound like its a bash George Lucas fest but I thought it walked down the middle at least relatively decently.

[Mat001]

I didn't say it was his abilities they distrusted. I said nothing happen in the movie to make them think he still wasn't dangerous.

Which is why Yoda was the lone holdout, when the Council voted to enroll Anakin and endorse his training.

Sure they could stop Obi-Wan, they're the Jedi Council, he answers to them, they could just tell him no. They could have just told Obi-Wan something like: We know of your promise to Qui-Gon, but the entire Jedi Council feels this child is a danger to both us and the Republic. Maybe tell Obi-Wan he shouldn't let his sentimentality cloud his judgment or something.

They could, but they still cannot stop Obi-wan from doing it. Qui-gon said that he was going to train Anakin, in spite of the Council saying no. He then makes Obi-wan promise him to do it. So no, short of killing him, they cannot stop Obi-wan from training Anakin. That is not the Jedi way. Regardless, the Sith were back and the Council knew that if the Prophecy was true, they would need Anakin.

Yes, but it reinforces the point that Han thought Luke a viable rival for Leia's affections and that it was stupid to make Luke and Leia retroactively brother and sister when they kissed in a non-brotherly fashion. Lucas removed Han shooting first, but never thought about removing this blunder. If they are brother and sister, fine, but that kiss goes a long way to debunk Lucas's "yeah, I planned the whole thing all along" argument.

Except Lucas admitted in the Annotated Screenplays that Leia was never planned to be the sister. That it was a decision made to give Luke incentive to lash out at Vader, if it was more personal, than with a total stranger.

As the fifth or sixth reason. Age being a hard requirement would have been reason number 1.

No, because by the time of the OT, Yoda and Obi-wan were amending the Code. That's why they let the children be raised by outsiders over starting their training right off. Yoda cites the age factor because he's disappointed in Luke. That's why he reluctantly agrees to it and why he rubs it in Obi-wan's face after Luke's gone.

They still didn't train him. It took Qui-Gon's dying wish to make Obi-Wan his trainer. What kind of method is that? They won't train him because of their age restriction, but there is a "dying wish" exception? Stupid, the former and the later.

Obi-wan is the instructor here, not Yoda and the Council. That's why Lucas said that if Yoda had trained Anakin, it would be a different situation. But it wasn't. Obi-wan, as he said to Luke, took it upon himself to train Anakin. All the Council did, minus Yoda, was give permission.

And they send him to a war zone. Criminally irresponsible behavior in part of the Jedi. Makes you think they wanted the boy to die so the issue could be solved once and for all.

Considering they send children to fight as it is, I don't think that is an issue. They let Qui-gon decide the boy's fate offworld and he chose to take the boy into battle, rather than leave him on the ship or in the swamps.

He could have been trained to deal with his emotions in the next ten years. There is no excuse for what the Jedi did: they treated him like shit the second they met him and they just kept him at arm's length for the next decade. And they left his mother to rot while other Jedis could see their families and even a few had special dispensations to have families.

Anakin was trained from day one to deal with his emotional attachments. He just refused to go along with it. The other Jedi were not allowed to see their families. Obi-wan never saw his family. Nor did Qui-gon and Dooku. Same with Mace. Ki-Adi was only given an exception because of his species. They fired a non Jedi Temple employee after they found out that his son was a potential Jedi and agreed to train the boy. Kerian Halcyon quit the Jedi Order to have his son Hal. Quinlan Vos hid his family from the Council. Same with Shared Hett and his son.

Yes, but Lucas didn't say he only put 20% of the story he needed to tell in ANH, TESB or ROTJ. The prequels have a lot of filler, admitted by Lucas himself.

Not quite. ANH originally had all kinds of stuff going on. He broke it down into three scripts and then added material to ANH, to make it into the film that we got. He still put things in that were not in the first draft, such as the full Death Star rescue, the Tusken Raiders and the destruction of Alderaan. Even adding a Lightsaber duel. In ROTJ, he took some of the ideas for VII-IX and combined them into that film. With TPM, the 20% was the material taken from the first draft which included using the invasion of Aqualie and turning it into the invasion of Naboo. Showcasing the rise of Palpatine and the introduction of Obi-wan and Anakin. Everything else that he added, was in the same fashion as the material that he added in ANH. He explored the world that he was creating. AOTC was the same way. The 20% being Anakin's relationship with Padme and the start of the Clone Wars. He explored that story in that film. The 60% of ROTS, was where it all falls into place. The remaining percentage was wrapping everything off.

Remember, if Lucas had stuck to the original plan, Episode I would be about the Jedi and the Sith Orders. Episode II would be the Clone Wars and Episode III would be the rise of Darth Vader.

Then you train him in order to defeat the guy who corrupted his father and is currently the reason why the Empire is in such shitty conditions.

Both Sith Lords had to go down. That's why they were going to wait until Luke was emotionally ready. It just turned out that he was, since Luke doesn't go bad. He exceeded even their expectations.

Anakin is a special case: grudgingly accepted into the Jedi, he's too old for training, he is not in control, etc, etc. Don't tell me the Jedi had never, in 1,000 generations, faced such a special needs student and had no provisions for such a case.

Nope. Any potential that was over the age limit, was rejected outright. No exceptions. For one thousand years, this was how they handled their business. Two thousand years before that, the Jedi didn't have strict age limits. They only allowed Anakin because of his possibly being the Chosen One and the return of the Sith.

Ah, but that's another story. A much better story that works. Anakin's mother is slain while in custody of Jedi officials? It shows how much of a badass the "phantom menace" is and it can point Anakin in the dark direction. "Jedis couldn't protect her. There must be something, or someone, who can." Cue Palpatine with his brochures..

By making Shmi's death random, it showed that Anakin was fighting fate. Not evil itself. Which is then profound when he tries to fight fate again, when it is Padme's life that is threatened. Much like Luke tries to fight fate in the OT. First by refusing to go with Obi-wan, only to have his obligations taken from him. Then by trying to avoid facing his father, which he realizes is futile because Vader is already at Endor waiting. Then again when he has to choose between good and evil.

The conflict of the Skywalker men was about fate, not personal vendettas. That's why Shmi is taken by Tuskens at random. Why Padme dies in childbirth. Why Luke wants to avoid killing his father and becoming just like him.

[Simbob4000]

Which is why Yoda was the lone holdout, when the Council voted to enroll Anakin and endorse his training.

We don't know how the council voted, we only know they went against their better judgment and allowed Obi-Wan to train Anakin for no reason.

They could, but they still cannot stop Obi-wan from doing it. Qui-gon said that he was going to train Anakin, in spite of the Council saying no. He then makes Obi-wan promise him to do it. So no, short of killing him, they cannot stop Obi-wan from training Anakin. That is not the Jedi way. Regardless, the Sith were back and the Council knew that if the Prophecy was true, they would need Anakin.

And that's a problem with the writing, Obi-Wan needs to train Anakin, but the movie sets up a scenario in which the Council should have never let it happen, and Obi-Wan never should have went through with it.

How is it the Jedi way to just do whatever you want? That seems like the exact opposite of what's set up as the Jedi. And Anakin really worked out well when it came to that stupid prophecy that shouldn't have ever been in the movie.

[The Batman]

We don't know how the council voted, we only know they went against their better judgment and allowed Obi-Wan to train Anakin for no reason.




And that's a problem with the writing, Obi-Wan needs to train Anakin, but the movie sets up a scenario in which the Council should have never let it happen, and Obi-Wan never should have went through with it.

How is it the Jedi way to just do whatever you want? That seems like the exact opposite of what's set up as the Jedi. And Anakin really worked out well when it came to that stupid prophecy that shouldn't have ever been in the movie.

The decision to train Anakin seems to be a pretty pragmatic one: It's the best way to keep tabs on a potentially powerful Force-user in a galaxy where the Jedi's sworn enemies have just revealed themselves to be alive and well. Casting Anakin back out into the universe risks too much that he might be co-opted by the Sith.

[Simbob4000]

The decision to train Anakin seems to be a pretty pragmatic one: It's the best way to keep tabs on a potentially powerful Force-user in a galaxy where the Jedi's sworn enemies have just revealed themselves to be alive and well. Casting Anakin back out into the universe risks too much that he might be co-opted by the Sith.

They could keep tabs on the kid without training him...Obi-Wan was doing that with Luke for years. But like I said, it's a story problem. It's a prequel, and we know going in that Obi-Wan trained Anakin; but the story sets up that everyone (besides one guy) thinks the kid is a danger and shouldn't be trained, and nothing happens in the movie to change there mind.