Disney Buys Lucasfilm, Announces New "Star Wars" Movie For 2015

[Simbob4000]

I can't seem to find an image of what I was looking for, but ther were bunches of painted Stormtrooopers standing around in the Death Star docking bay.

On a related note...


There are not a whole lot of elements in that shot that are physically real. Basically just about the floor, two dozen guys and the ramp of the shuttle.

Same tricks, older technology.

And it looks better than the prequels.

Hey, put that goal post back where you found it!

Also, regarding gophers... Do you know what is one of the hardest, most time-consuming things is you can do in a movie: get a real animal to do what you want.

Animatronic gophers look fake. CGI gophers look fake. So go with the one that's easiest to do and gives the best result.

What is it with this CGI-phobia of yours anyway?

Don't need to, no goal post wasn't moved. You were talking about a scene with a matte painting of Stormtroops where they're meant to be moving and are close to the camera. The medal ceremony is a very different beast, everyone is meant to be standing at attention perfectly still, and the matte painting people are in the background (and much smaller) with lots of real people as foreground elements also standing perfectly still

Do you know that's what second units are for? I wouldn't think getting a gopher to pop out of the ground would be to hard, just build a little ground piece with a mound on it with a tube under to make it come out where you want. These things all seem like a lot of trouble for something that shouldn't have been done in the first place.

I don't have a CGI-phobia, it's just that a lot of the time CGI looks like shit...not all the time, but a lot of times it does. This wouldn't even be a thing we're talking about if it had looked good.

[Sonofspam]

Did Prometheus use CGI? cause the special effects in that were amazing and didn't look fake or cgi at all.

I have seen a lot of movies with cheap or bad looking CGI but i don't believe that this is always the case.

[Simbob4000]

I didn't say that you couldn't tell that it was or wasn't CGI. I said that they usually talk about why.

I didn't say that either. I said you don't need to watch the extras to see if CGI was the only way to add fake grass.

Tis a matter of opinion.

No it isn't, it clearly looked incredibly bad.

The bottom line is that the film had the best of both.

The movie didn't have the best of both, I don't even know how someone could think that. It's a really bad version of the formula used in the first and third movies, and the 50s sci-fi B-movie feel it's meant to have is so absent that the alien stuff just feels completely out of place.

The budget has to do with where the money is spent. Lucas felt it was more practical to put the money on CGI suits, than creating a dozen different suits for one extra to wear. Especially given that said suits are difficult to move in and see out of. Lucas was also going to have a large number of troopers moving at once, rather than doing it as he did with the OT.

I know what a budget has to do in relation to a movie, and I get CGI is the way Lucas wanted to go, but you bringing the budget up didn't have anything to do with the post you were quoting before. Was your point that the movies worked out well because they came in under budget? If it was, well...that's good for them I guess; but it wasn't what we were talking about before.


The way the movie is shot, they wouldn't have actually needed a lot of actors for the clone troops if they had used people in customs. We aren't seeing large numbers of troopers moving like a scene from Starship Troopers, when be see clone troopers we always see them like they're blocking for a rear screen projection shot. They would only have ever needed maybe eight guys in full custom for scenes with clone troops, just a small number of guys on a blue screen; with the troopers who are running around in the background, who don't need to be seen a clearly, being CGI.

That's why the end result is one guy, Bode Taylor, wearing a green and/or a blue screen suit. This one guy was then used to create the singular movements for the Jango Fett clones, so that they all line up a certain way. The same way that your body movements are different from your family members, much less your friends, as opposed to a clone. Taylor was then replicated through the use of computers, just like LOTR, allowing for multiple troopers on screen at once.

That's why what? What you're saying doesn't relate to what I said. I know how they did the clone troops, and I know the stupid reason why they said they were all done as CGI...but it doesn't make it any less stupid.

The armor all varied. Different colors, different equipment, different shapes.

What are you talking about? The clone trooper armor in Attack of the Clones all looked the same, the only variety I can think of was the one guy with yellow stripes & the pilots had different helmets.

The OT was just as much a demo for ILM. And all the models and matte paintings were just as obvious.

That's one of the stupidest things I've seen in this thread. The old movies were actual stories and the fx serviced the story, the prequels feel like they were made to show off what ILM could do...and create more opportunities to make more toys and videogames. It doesn't matter if they were or not, the prequels are so bad that's just what it feels like when I watch them; the podrace doesn't feel like something that need to be there, it feels like something that's there to sell Star Wars Episode I: Racer on the N64. When I see CGI sets that are meant to look real, and could have been done as real sets, I can't help but think he's just showing off what ILM can do. Same thing when I see all CGI storm troopers and aliens that could be done as a guy in a suit or puppet; I mean, you have a pretty big problem when your CGI characters don't look half as good as the puppet versions of them from the 80s.

Why? That's what is done. A person does motion capture and then the effects team creates the look of whatever it is in post production. That was what was done with the Clonetroopers.

What are you asking why about? Why wouldn't you CGI over a person in full clone troopers armor...is that a real question?

[Sighphi]

both are decent...I liked Tron Legacy a lot, and let's be honest...the original (as groundbreaking a concept as it was) really isn't all that fantastic so I put both movies on equal footing

Both movies didnt do good and both suffered from the same pitfalls.
And decent isnt going to cover it with SW, it didnt cover it with Tron when, as you say, the first film isnt all that great.

Avengers was good.

Disney had nothing to do with this film outside of distribution.
Try again.

[carabas]

What about Uma?

She was the one thing that worked in that film?

[Alex]

Disney had nothing to do with this film outside of distribution.
Try again.

And Lucasfilms is still it's own entity.

[Mat001]

Come to think of it, Lucas may have some very bad working experiences with the old Stormtrooper uniforms (remember the one that bumped his head on that door?) and it is likely that a stuntman wearing a physical Clone Trooper uniform would not physically be able to do what Lucas would need the Clone Troopers to do.
Old Stormtroopers... They didn't move a lot. And not very fast or coordinated.

According to Anthony Daniels, he tried on a Stormtrooper helmet once and said it was like looking at the bottom of a dark wine bottle. He could barely see much of anything. He talked about how the extras would fall over unintentionally during certain scenes, such as the raid in Echo Base in TESB, when one slipped and fell as he was walking into frame. And that during the scene where the Stormtroopers were rushing to Threepio and Artoo, before the Ewoks launched their attack, one of the extras tripped and fell, leading to several others doing the same thing. So when you hear Luke say that he can barely see out of his helmet, it wasn't that far from the truth.

Did Prometheus use CGI? cause the special effects in that were amazing and didn't look fake or cgi at all.

Yes, it did. Certain scenes were CGI and others were the old school style.

I said you don't need to watch the extras to see if CGI was the only way to add fake grass.

Yes, and usually there's a reason why.

The movie didn't have the best of both, I don't even know how someone could think that. It's a really bad version of the formula used in the first and third movies, and the 50s sci-fi B-movie feel it's meant to have is so absent that the alien stuff just feels completely out of place.

I'm sorry, I just don't see how any of it is bad.

I know what a budget has to do in relation to a movie, and I get CGI is the way Lucas wanted to go, but you bringing the budget up didn't have anything to do with the post you were quoting before. Was your point that the movies worked out well because they came in under budget? If it was, well...that's good for them I guess; but it wasn't what we were talking about before.

No, my point was what I said. Lucas put the money for the film's budget on where he felt it was best spent, since it was his money and not the studio's. He had a choice on which direction to go with certain things, in this case, Clonetrooper armor. He chose to go with against what was done on the previous films, because it would allow the money that would be spent on costume design and paying for extras, to go elsewhere. In this case, the creation of digital troopers. It also had additional reasons beyond that. Otherwise, he probably would have spent more money for something that he felt could be achieved through another way.

The way the movie is shot, they wouldn't have actually needed a lot of actors for the clone troops if they had used people in customs. We aren't seeing large numbers of troopers moving like a scene from Starship Troopers, when be see clone troopers we always see them like they're blocking for a rear screen projection shot. They would only have ever needed maybe eight guys in full custom for scenes with clone troops, just a small number of guys on a blue screen; with the troopers who are running around in the background, who don't need to be seen a clearly, being CGI.

And in the end, there was only one guy who didn't wear any armor. Which then lead to Lucas actually having them all move, rather than how it was done in "Starship Troopers" and "Terminator 2", where it wasn't that way. This allowed for more independent characters, who each do something and at the same time, have the same person doing all the work. Take the Battle of Utapau. We've got clones doing all sorts of things during the shot when Obi-wan returns from killing Grievous. You've got a clone being shot and another calling for a medic. You've got a clone running up to a droid and shooting it. You've got clones in the background leading a charge and each one is doing something slightly different.

What are you talking about? The clone trooper armor in Attack of the Clones all looked the same, the only variety I can think of was the one guy with yellow stripes & the pilots had different helmets.

There were red and yellow in AOTC. But I was also talking about ROTS.

That's one of the stupidest things I've seen in this thread. The old movies were actual stories and the fx serviced the story, the prequels feel like they were made to show off what ILM could do...and create more opportunities to make more toys and videogames.

There was an actual story as well in the PT.

It doesn't matter if they were or not, the prequels are so bad that's just what it feels like when I watch them; the podrace doesn't feel like something that need to be there, it feels like something that's there to sell Star Wars Episode I: Racer on the N64.

Which was not the case at all. The game was only made afterwards to tie into the other flying games like "X-Wing: Rogue Squardron" and "Tie Defender". Even going back to the original arcade game that recreated the Death Star trench run. It's purpose in the film was Lucas doing yet another nod to older movies and movie serials, as well as his days drag racing in his teenage years.

When I see CGI sets that are meant to look real, and could have been done as real sets, I can't help but think he's just showing off what ILM can do.

That's part of it, but more so, it's creating environments that are easily changed and altered, without having to do it by hand. The Separatist war room on Geonosis, for instance, has a unique look that could have probably been changed more than once during post production. Likewise, without huge set construction pieces, what was done in the studio could be done quickly and with a minimum of fuss. Production could move right into the studio, almost right after another production ended and not interfering with each other.

Same thing when I see all CGI storm troopers and aliens that could be done as a guy in a suit or puppet; I mean, you have a pretty big problem when your CGI characters don't look half as good as the puppet versions of them from the 80s.

The problem with puppets is that you trade mobility, for something that's only on set for practicality purposes. Jabba couldn't move on his own, so he needs a sled. Yoda couldn't do much other than walk, talk and move his arms. Certain puppets were still used in the PT, mostly the ones that they could get sufficient movement out of.

What are you asking why about? Why wouldn't you CGI over a person in full clone troopers armor...is that a real question?

No, why is that crazy to do what was done the Clonetroopers? Lucas had both going on in the PT. We had multiple Wookiees that were copied off of seven or eight men in costumes. Likewise, we had what was done with the clones. Both worked well and when people didn't even know with the clones, that's a good sign that it worked.

[jediracer]

And Lucasfilms is still it's own entity.

but now with Kathleen Kennedy at the helm instead of Rick McCullum. THANK FUCKING GOD.

[Lotech]

On VH1 this morning, the scroll at the bottom of the screen said Disney has narrowed the director search list to "a couple of choices".

[jediracer]

On VH1 this morning, the scroll at the bottom of the screen said Disney has narrowed the director search list to "a couple of choices".

Seems like there is a new rumor every day. Today it was Joe Johnston.

[Phil Clark]

I'd buy that for a dollar.

[Sighphi]

And Lucasfilms is still it's own entity.

It had nothing to do with it because the process was well on it's way with the Avenger movie.
This is not the same with these movies.

[Simbob4000]

Seems like there is a new rumor every day. Today it was Joe Johnston.

Last I heard Brenda Chapman, who was one of the directors on Brave was rumored to be in the running.

[dupersuper]

She was the one thing that worked in that film?

*SPOILER WARNING*




2 things if you count her evil clone...

[Vibranium]

Both movies didnt do good and both suffered from the same pitfalls.
And decent isnt going to cover it with SW, it didnt cover it with Tron when, as you say, the first film isnt all that great.

right...but it made enough money to warrant a sequel