DC fans why do you dislike Marvel comics?

[Kyle Anderson]

I'm talking about issue 1 to now. Most of those books have lost 50 percent of the audience which says they haven't held those new eyes they got minus things like Batman, Tec and JL. And even with that said, they're still behind the mid 2000s which wasn't hot sales wise either.

An issue 1 allways sell more than the rest of the ongoing (unless you get Neil Gaiman or Alan Moore to write the book latter). Most books are selling more than they did pre-New 52.
Being behind mid 2000s means nothing other than a) people are reading even less than they did then (and that's a fact) and b) we are in the middle of a world crisis. There's less money to spend with comics than there was before.

[MadDog1981]

We're talking about standard attrition here. Of course a bunch of #12s are going to be doing better than a bunch of titles with higher numbering. You would also have a point if the books had settled into a groove. A lot of the books are losing several thousand readers a month. Where's it going to be in another year? It's going down and it's going to hit pre-New 52 levels at some point.

[Kyle Anderson]

We're talking about standard attrition here. Of course a bunch of #12s are going to be doing better than a bunch of titles with higher numbering.

Not really. That's true for the first few issues. After a while it wears off

You would also have a point if the books had settled into a groove. A lot of the books are losing several thousand readers a month. Where's it going to be in another year? It's going down and it's going to hit pre-New 52 levels at some point.

What books? Action Comics? Batman? Justice League? Or the ones that were never good (like Firestorm) or never had an audience (like GI Combat)? Those can easily be replaced by books that will sell more. Maybe we should give DC a little credit for trying different stuff.
Sales are going down and they will allways be going down. There is still a financial crisis and new generations read less and less. Unless comics start being sold in places other than comic book stores the new readers will hardly be noticable. Just look at Marvel numbers and you'll see that's true.

[MadDog1981]

Action Comics actually is losing several thousand an issue. They lost 9,000 orders from issue 10 to 12. Justice League lost 10,000 in the same time frame.

[klinton]

Action Comics actually is losing several thousand an issue. They lost 9,000 orders from issue 10 to 12. Justice League lost 10,000 in the same time frame.

Comic fans seem to be really fickle, if these boards are any indication. They hop on and off of titles at random. Everything is constantly "on the bubble".

I have no idea how people can be so wishy washy. Or what it is they're even expecting. If you like a character, it shouldn't be hard to find something you enjoy in any given issue. Not every issue (or arc) is going to be mind blowing.

I kind of feel bad for creators. The pressure in this field must be gut wrenching.

[MadDog1981]

Every book suffers standard attrition as each issue comes out. It will naturally sell less as time progresses.

I think we all have on the bubble books. I have my series that I'll stick with through thick and thin and then everything else depends on what's good.

[tylenoljones]

Comic fans seem to be really fickle, if these boards are any indication. They hop on and off of titles at random. Everything is constantly "on the bubble".

I have no idea how people can be so wishy washy. Or what it is they're even expecting. If you like a character, it shouldn't be hard to find something you enjoy in any given issue. Not every issue (or arc) is going to be mind blowing.

I kind of feel bad for creators. The pressure in this field must be gut wrenching.

I attribute it to so many new comics launching, or re-launching with new number ones. People get excited about getting in on these books on the ground floor, but money's tight and something has to go to make room for the new.

It wasn't nearly as much of an issue when comics publishers weren't afraid to let series go into the high numbers. But as often as character's books are relaunched, with new creative teams, it's really not surprising that so many jump around. Generally the most consistently sucessful books are the most stable: for DC Batman and Green Lantern are good examples of this.

[klinton]

I think we all have on the bubble books. I have my series that I'll stick with through thick and thin and then everything else depends on what's good.

I think that comes from buying hype and not characters. I know who I want to read in the DCU. That's not going to change, regardless of the creative teams involved.

I honestly can't say that I have a bubble book (certainly not in DC). Everything I buy, I tend to stick with. Phantom Stranger, perhaps. But I only intended to buy that to follow Raven. When she moves on, so will I.

[thetrellan]

I think that comes from buying hype and not characters. I know who I want to read in the DCU. That's not going to change, regardless of the creative teams involved.

I honestly can't say that I have a bubble book (certainly not in DC). Everything I buy, I tend to stick with. Phantom Stranger, perhaps. But I only intended to buy that to follow Raven. When she moves on, so will I.

I used to be that way, but then I used to be able to get everything I wanted. Can't really afford that now.

Today I am loyal as long as I like the talent working on a given book. That's not due to hype, because I don't even pay attention to hype. I get what I like, end of story, and there is no character in print that can withstand bad artwork or writing.

I look at it this way: If Marvel or whoever doesn't care enough about their product to hire a decent team on their books, why should I care enough to read them?

[Lemurion]

I base it on getting my money's worth of "CBG(tm)." If I get a lot from a first issue, I'll buy the next at full price (I do digital). If I get some but not a so much I have to read it every month I'll wait a month and buy it cheaper. I also wait to try new books as it lowers my risks. If it really doesn't grab me, I'll just not buy the next issue.