Last edited by Kensei; 11-07-2012 at 03:17 AM.
Bane was already beaten. Catwoman just killed him because she doesn't have the same compunction that Bruce does about killing. The climax for Bane's role was already done and over with. Azrael not killing Bane was the start of his fall from grace.
But it was after that that Jean-Paul began seeing both his father and St. Dumas. Hence it was the start of his downfall because their constant presence began to drive him mad and is why he didn't try to save Abattoir.
There's a difference between redesigning the suit and having visions telling him to kill or not to kill.
Would like to turn this thread back toward its original question by offering some of the things I imagined when we first heard that "The Dark Knight Rises" was going to be made but before we knew anything about it. I don't know if any of them would have made it "better," but here they are.
First, I imagined a scene with Gordon visiting Bruce (much like Blake did in the film), saying, "Mr. Wayne, the task force assigned to track down the Batman has always assumed that with the tech he displays he's either someone with money or someone with a wealthy benefactor. Either way, you were going to be on the suspect list. Then there's the factor of motive. He's likely to be someone who's been effected by crime. And after all these years of eliminating suspects, Mr. Wayne, I gotta tell you- today, you are the list. So... is there anything you want to tell me?" And after the required dramatic pause, Bruce would say, "If there were, what would it mean?" And Gordon would explain that if there were, they had an agreement that would not change, leading Bruce to say, "Well then, Commissioner, I'll do you one better than telling you something. I'd like to show you something." Then he'd take Gordon down into the Batcave and show him everything, and just for a moment Gordon would act very nervous until he realized he was being made a full partner, and then he'd say, "Thank God, I was just starting to wonder if no one was ever going to see me again."
Either that, or there'd be a scene near the end where Batman would say to Gordon, "Do you want to know who I am? You've earned it." And after careful consideration, Gordon would decline, but Batman would make it a standing offer.
I also imagined a Nolan version of Vickie Vale, a reporter obsessed with getting an interview with Batman, and a scene inspired by Superman/Christopher Reeve showing up at Lois Lane/Margot Kidder's apartment for that purpose, though of a much darker theme of course. Christian Bale growling, "You wanted to talk to me. Here I am."
Then there was the fact that so many fans were expecting the Riddler. I bought into it like many of us did, and I thought that if they were going to use him that in order to make him fit into the Nolanverse he should be portrayed much like the Zodiac killer from real life. Both characters wore costumes and sent clues to taunt the authorities. Seriously, I thought that could have had amazing potential.
I also made up my mind that if TDKR didn't include Catwoman that I would have been extremely let down, and in that I was rewarded. In TDK, when Fox said "Should do fine against cats," in spite of everything that's been said I don't buy for a second that that wasn't an alert that Catwoman was coming next.