The "Iron Man 3" trailer's release has brought back the most ugly part of fandom: the Haters. Brett White tries to come to terms with this subgroup and urges everyone to stop treating their opinions as fact.
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10-24-2012, 02:58 PM #1Mild-Mannered Reporter
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In Your Face Jam - Oct 24, 2012
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10-24-2012, 04:24 PM #2Avengers Assemble
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Well said, been in the same boat more times than I can count, even earlier this week when some people I knew were bashing the Iron Patriot-styled armor in IM3.
Basically they said if that armor is in the movie, it will suck. I said when May 3rd 2013 comes around we'll see - there's no way anyone can make a statement like that right now.
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10-24-2012, 05:10 PM #3... with the High Command
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I don't like the look of the Iron Patriot armor or the mostly gold Iron Man armor.
Originally Posted by .c.h.r.i.s.
As for the movie - I saw a trailer that looks to have lots of superhero goodness so right now I'm looking forward to the movie. More information might change my opinion - in either direction. But I won't know until I have that information.Anyone who thinks DC is bringing back the Silver Age doesn't know what the Silver Age is.
There is no such word as "persay," it's per se, two words, from the Latin.
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10-24-2012, 05:26 PM #4Senior Member
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The first thing you gotta do is stop calling people who dislike things you love "haters". You're not a 12-year old fangirl having to defend your role model from criticism. This isn't an "us vs them" thing. People have opinions. They shouldn't be crowded into the "haters" group and brushed off like cynical little red-headed stepchildren. What about we call all the Iron Man 2 fans "slurpers"? You guys just slurp up junk food. Would you like that term to completely define your position, neatly filing you away so I don't have to listen to you? "Pfft, whatever, slurpers gonna slurp I guess"/"pfft, whatever, haters gotta hate".
Grow the hell up. Any adult conversation happens between a mutual respect between people. That comes from both the people who dislike something AND the people who enjoy it. When you show respect, you can get respect in return.Last edited by ViewtifulJC; 10-24-2012 at 05:30 PM.
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10-24-2012, 05:27 PM #5disciple of truth
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Ben Kingsley pulled off playing an Indian, but he's definitely not Chinese in this. It bums me out that Mandarin looks more Middle Eastern. They might as well rename him because Mandarin doesn't make much sense if he isn't Chinese.
After Iron Man 2, I'll be skipping this in the theaters. I don't find a smartass, rich, egomaniac relatable at all. Hulk is the only Avenger I care to see in a solo movie. Where's his sequel?!my artwork
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10-24-2012, 05:39 PM #6New Member
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Hilarious and on-point article, Mr. White.
And people who dislike The Avengers are objectively wrong. It's, like, science.
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10-24-2012, 05:49 PM #7Senior Member
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Yeah....once I got to all that stuff about "slurpers" my mind just drifted to horrible places. Originally Posted by ViewtifulJC
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10-24-2012, 07:02 PM #8Senior Member
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Do people really need to add "in my opinion" to statements that are clearly their opinon? If I say "pie is good", I'm assuming I'm not talking to a space alien unfamiliar with pie who doesn't know if it's good or not. Heck, you could quibble on what the word "good" means if you wanted to but it'd be a waste of time because my statement was clear enough (I like pie).
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10-24-2012, 07:20 PM #9Senior Member
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"Pie is good", huh? What kind of statement is that!? It's all matter-of-fact and tells us nothing! At least de-vague that statement by saying, "In my opinion, pie is good." Originally Posted by finfangfool
Meh, whatever, slurpers gonna slurp I guess
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10-24-2012, 07:57 PM #10EMT
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No one ever created a great work of art, fiction, or music because people told them they were perfect.
Great things come from honest criticism. What you really need to do is realize that when someone ruins something for you by pointing out what is wrong with it, they actually just did you the favor of opening your eyes to the reality of the situation. So instead of liking movies just because they have superheroes in them, you should try to like them based on their actual quality of storytelling, cinematography, characterization, directing, etc...
When someone points out a flaw you hadn't noticed, realize that the flaw was always there and you just missed it. And please remember that ignorance isn't bliss, it is oblivion.
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10-24-2012, 07:58 PM #11New Member
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Yeah, sure it's a downer when people who have yet to experience a film (or any other form of media) just wantonly criticise it; but to my mind it's equally annoying when people go "w0W d1s flim is gunna ROCK!!" on exactly the same flimsy evidence. Surely living in the age of the over-hyped market has taught us by now to be nothing more than cautiously optimistic at best, or mildly cynical at worst.
Me, I'm treating IM3 with indifference until I see it.
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10-24-2012, 08:50 PM #12Senior Member
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I think that was kinda the point of the article. The writer even included himself in the criticism. Originally Posted by ViewtifulJC
Please pardon any aggressive auto-correct feature typos.
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10-24-2012, 08:57 PM #13Senior Member
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Depends on the context, tone, or presentation. Originally Posted by finfangfool
People often present their views as if they are presenting a fact, not an opinion. A certain humility ought to be inherent in the expression of opinion, simply because it is subjective. The absence of that often leads to ugliness because, say, two people are arguing about where a film sucks (which is subjective and unwinnable) instead of sharing their opinions, as opinions, which might not change before the last word is uttered on the subject.
It sounds like expecting people to pronounce a silent "e" or an understood "you", but the proof of the value of this point is all over forums such as this one.Please pardon any aggressive auto-correct feature typos.
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10-24-2012, 09:01 PM #14New Member
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Brett, all I have to say is PREACH ON. I'm so tired of seeing every little bit of fandom anything being greeted with whining. It's as if every piece of media was created so that people could find things to hate about it (or hate all of it) even though it's so much easier to just move on to something else. I'm not going to say that Iron Man 3 is going to be the best movie ever--I had to watch each of the prior Iron Man movies twice to truly enjoy them--but it won't be the end of the world if it's bad.
Lately I've been stressing over the constant complaining in fandom. I don't why, exactly, but it's sad when it seems like anytime I get excited for something (which is often, I'm happy to say) I get to see a deluge of first-world-outrage over things that pale in comparison to every other problem in the world. That's why I was so happy to read this. Don't back down, Brett.
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10-24-2012, 09:38 PM #15Senior Member
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The point of the article seems to be "I should back down." Originally Posted by BADunn
And he's right. I'd definitely re-evaluate my priorities if I found myself defending Iron Man 2.
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