WWE RAW IV: Show me respect!

[JCAll]

How long has Goldberg went undefeated btw?

I think The Streak was 170something.

[Alex]

Yep. I have to admit, if you were going to shoot someone into the main event over a three week span, I can't see any way that WWE could have done it better. Saving JR from Punk, saving McMahon from Punk, and then Cena admitting Ryback looks hungrier? WWE literally could not have handed Ryback a better hand. It's all on him at this point.

I was a little surprised that they let Miz tear into Kofi so much, but it made for good TV, and was easily the best thing Kofi's ever been involved in. Here's hoping he answers the call and steps up his game.

They could have picked a guy who's shown some talent in the ring, other than that you are correct.
I saw people whining about the kofi/miz stuff, my theory is, they were so shocked we were getting an honest to god storyline to build for a match for a midcard title, people didn't know what do with it, they were shocked into stupidity.

[SephirothDZX]

I still think they'd be better off having Ryback dominate one of the midcard titles for a while first and, idk, save pushing him for a major belt until near Mania. Having him go undefeated and destroying midcarders for a few more months and then totally lighting up the Royal Rumble would probably be the one thing that could put him over Goldberg....... maybe.

[Alex]

I still think they'd be better off having Ryback dominate one of the midcard titles for a while first and, idk, save pushing him for a major belt until near Mania. Having him go undefeated and destroying midcarders for a few more months and then totally lighting up the Royal Rumble would probably be the one thing that could put him over Goldberg....... maybe.

Yknow, there is a way to beat Ryback without hurting him. They won't do it in 2012 because they aren't TNA, but they could do it.
First off, his streak isn't like Golbergs, it's shorter and the highest profile guy he's beat is Miz, most of his victories were against nameless jobbers, so they can beat him.
So, what you do is, Ryback beats the crap out of Punk for 8 minutes, he uses weapons and such to hide the fact that he isnt very good. You can have Punk hit him back with stuff at some people, because Ryback, no matter how they want to push it, was selling for curt hawkins and jinder mahal a month ago, the guy has sold before, he can sell for the champ.
Alright, so after Punk tries to hurt the ryback, the ryback just gets angry, and he smashes punk through the cell. Punk is hurt and terrefied, so he climbs to the top of the cage to escape. You have Punk do something, i dunno what, that causes Ryback to fall on the top, and he's so big he breaks the top of the cage and crashes to the mat (this is why they won't do it), Punk DOES NOT do a move on top of him because crazy high flying stuff is babyface territory. Instead, he climbs back into the cage and covers the now disabeled Ryback. Punk doesn't look good because the fall put Ryback out, not Punk, Punk didn't do either of his finishers, and Ryback beat him for most of the match anyway.
That way, Ryback doesn't look bad for losing.

Second option. And this they could do, don't think they will but they could.
Ryback kills Punk for most of the match, Heyman brings Lesnar out to save him, Lesnar F5s the ryback allowing Punk to cover him.
Then at mania you do LEsnar vs Ryback and hope it's better than Goldberg/LEsnar, and you have Ryback go clean over Lesnar.

[SephirothDZX]

First off, his streak isn't like Golbergs, it's shorter and the highest profile guy he's beat is Miz, most of his victories were against nameless jobbers, so they can beat him.

To be fair, a lot of jobbers where thrown Goldberg's way too.

[Alex]

To be fair, a lot of jobbers where thrown Goldberg's way too.

But he had wrestling some people higher than "Noone from parts unknown" before he wrestled Hogan.
And he's been doing it longer than 2 months.
And my favorite critque of Ryback is...
"Ryback's selling makes Bobby Lashley look like Ricky Steamboat circa 1987."

[SephirothDZX]

But he had wrestling some people higher than "Noone from parts unknown" before he wrestled Hogan.
And he's been doing it longer than 2 months.
And my favorite critque of Ryback is...
"Ryback's selling makes Bobby Lashley look like Ricky Steamboat circa 1987."

Bwahahahahaha

[Alex L]

Stryker is back in action.

I was wondering if Daniel Bryan was going to have to come out mid-match and save Kane from Matt Stryker.

[BeastieRunner]

I think The Streak was 170something.

WCW said it was 173 consecutive victories that took place on WCW television, PPVs, and at house shows.

WWE and Goldberg's website have still say it's 173, but they fail to list about 30-40 matches.

Chris Jericho says, "Goldberg would have to have been wrestling a Mexico City ten match a week schedule to even come close to the number of matches they were claiming he won. One week he'd be 42-0 and seven days later he'd be 58-0." I think Kevin Sullivan claims something similar, too. Here's a link to everything televised, and it show him as 64-1.

As far as (and I use this word loosely) the legitimacy of Goldberg's streak, he beat did Raven for the US title and Hogan for the World title. He beat a lot of no-name jobbers & midcard guys like Meng, Glacier (I think he lost 4 times during the streak, 8 times in all), Disco Inferno, Fit Finlay, La Parka, and Hugh Morris but he did have wins over DDP, The Giant, Konnan, Hall, Hennig, and Sting.

[clayholio]

They could have picked a guy who's shown some talent in the ring, other than that you are correct.
I saw people whining about the kofi/miz stuff, my theory is, they were so shocked we were getting an honest to god storyline to build for a match for a midcard title, people didn't know what do with it, they were shocked into stupidity.

There weren't many others available right now, talented or not. I'd say Kofi was the other option, as he's the lowest guy on the right side of the fan apathy line in the sand.

The Kofi/Miz stuff was gold. For the first time in a year and a half, the Miz was interesting again. And Kofi's got his first feud in years (since Orton, I think). Miz really tore into Kofi on the mic, and Kofi busted him open with a kick (unintentionally, I hope). The last two weeks have been a solid start to what could be a very good feud for both guys. I'm not sure what problem people could have with this, other than the ones that stem from just being whiny wrestling fans on the internet.

I was wondering if Daniel Bryan was going to have to come out mid-match and save Kane from Matt Stryker.

I was hoping...

[SephirothDZX]

WCW said it was 173 consecutive victories that took place on WCW television, PPVs, and at house shows.

WWE and Goldberg's website have still say it's 173, but they fail to list about 30-40 matches.

Chris Jericho says, "Goldberg would have to have been wrestling a Mexico City ten match a week schedule to even come close to the number of matches they were claiming he won. One week he'd be 42-0 and seven days later he'd be 58-0." I think Kevin Sullivan claims something similar, too. Here's a link to everything televised, and it show him as 64-1.

As far as (and I use this word loosely) the legitimacy of Goldberg's streak, he beat did Raven for the US title and Hogan for the World title. He beat a lot of no-name jobbers & midcard guys like Meng, Glacier (I think he lost 4 times during the streak, 8 times in all), Disco Inferno, Fit Finlay, La Parka, and Hugh Morris but he did have wins over DDP, The Giant, Konnan, Hall, Hennig, and Sting.

I personally remember raising an eyebrow about that even as the streak was going on, I was just like "How does this guy wrestle so often?"

[Alex]

Forget Goldberg, does anyone remember Sid's streak?
I beleive it was after many stopped watching wcw, but he would literaly add like 70 wins between nitro and thunder.

[Legato]

Since we're on the subject what wrestler had the longest undefeated steak?

[BeastieRunner]

Since we're on the subject what wrestler had the longest undefeated steak?

Either Dr. Death Steve Williams at 10 years or Andre the Giant at 15 years, if you don't count DQs. Bruno Sammartino at 8 years for title reign streaks. Lou Thesz is up there for most match wins in a row with something like 4-900 matches (nobody knows for certain).

Undertaker, Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, Tatanka, Sid Vicious, Honky Tonk Man, and Umaga all went 1-2 years for theirs.

[Mat001]

As far as (and I use this word loosely) the legitimacy of Goldberg's streak, he beat did Raven for the US title and Hogan for the World title. He beat a lot of no-name jobbers & midcard guys like Meng, Glacier (I think he lost 4 times during the streak, 8 times in all), Disco Inferno, Fit Finlay, La Parka, and Hugh Morris but he did have wins over DDP, The Giant, Konnan, Hall, Hennig, and Sting.

Right. A lot of those major ones started after winning the World Heavyweight Title or at least the US Title. By 1999, Goldberg was facing a lot of the major names even though the streak was over. By that point also, he was having at least ten minute matches at PPV's. Longer matches were with tag teams.

Forget Goldberg, does anyone remember Sid's streak?
I beleive it was after many stopped watching wcw, but he would literaly add like 70 wins between nitro and thunder.

I remember it. It was dropped the first week that WCW turned into the "Attitude Lite" era. That was the night that Hogan and Flair left, and Hall and Nash returned. Sid also had his streak going on "WCW Saturday Night" and though I barely got to watch it, I'd imagine it was also happening on "WCW Worldwide". Three or four times Sid took out Lodi and Lenny. Sid had returned to WCW in like July of 1999 and the first thing he talked about was breaking the streak. They had their match at "Halloween Havoc" or at "Mayhem". Then Sid became a face and teamed with Goldberg a couple of times.