WWE RAW IV: Show me respect!

[Huthaifa]

Exactly my point. They've already proven Ziggler right in making AJ turn out to be an attention whore and they've proven Vickie right by having Cena and AJ give in to Vickie's scandal and make out. So if they make AJ crazy then they're once again proving Ziggler and Vickie right. If they're trying to make us root for the faces then DON'T MAKE THE HEELS IN THE RIGHT!!

Vickie was lying.

Ziggler has been a douche

AJ was considered crazy way before this program started.Hell, they have a t shirt stating such.All of this was established during the whole Punk,Bryan, and Kane angle.

That all being said, it justs something for these guy to do.Its great for AJ because we see her more than we see the Divas champ. It put Ziggs in a program with Cena.It lets Cena have something to do other than beating by Punk.

[steve2275]

Posted in: WWE
Jim Ross Gives His Predictions For Monday's Slammy Awards
By Michael Bluth
Dec 13, 2012 - 4:49:21 PM

WWE Hall of Famer Jim Ross has updated his blog at JRsBarBQ.com with his thoughts on Monday's WWE Slammy Awards. Here are some highlights of what JR wrote about:

Superstar of the Year: No brainer...WWE Champion @CMPunk. Need I explain? Let us count the days.

Breakout Star of the Year: @Ryback22...making an impact and has reached PPV, main event status. Hopefully, for Ryback his best is yet to come.

Comeback of the Year: How can one have a bigger comeback than returning to life after being clinically dead for approximately 15 minutes? @JerryLawler wins hands down.

Most Shocking Moment Of The Year: King's heart attack aside...I can't think of one moment that jumps out at me but the return of @HeymanHustle has to be a consideration. @TheShield impacting @WWE would be another. It's a wide open category. What whacky incident won this Slammy last year?

Match of the Year: Match of the Year....I'm admittedly biased...WrestleMania 28...Hell in a Cell..Undertaker vs. HHH with @ShawnMichaels as special referee. I was surprised to get the call to assist in calling the bout and it was a career highlight for me. There likely won't be any thing like that specific moment featuring three, iconic legends and HOF level talents in one match on that stage again in my career ever again. It was one of the most dramatically physical bouts I've seen in WWE in years and was the best match on the premier, WWE PPV from where I was sitting. Again, remember, I'm biased but that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
Read more at http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/...XWZX6Ey7PEA.99

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Ziggler's been treated as nothing more than the underdog in this angle with Cena having one sided victories against him and Vince coming in and making the odds on Cena's favor leading to their match while Cena is supposed to be the guy we are sympathizing with. What Vince is doing to Ziggler is a watered down version of what he'd do to Austin

when did cena have one sided victories over D ziggy??

Ziggler and Vickie have been asses. How are they in the right? Cena really hasnt done anything wrong. I dont see what they are continuing. You just got four people, who really dont like each other. That was true before the storyline. The only face, who has been acting like a heel has been Vince. But Vince is just screwing with Vickie. But you cant blame a genetic jackhammer for hammering:)

legato usually has a very hard time understanding how the wrestler he likes better is the heel in these situations.

Ziggler (and Vickie but to a slightly lesser extent) was the one who called AJ out on being a clingy crazy person. If they change the story and have AJ end up being a clingy crazy person, it effectively makes Ziggler right and makes Cena look stupid.

Vickie was lying.

Ziggler has been a douche

AJ was considered crazy way before this program started.Hell, they have a t shirt stating such.All of this was established during the whole Punk,Bryan, and Kane angle.

That all being said, it justs something for these guy to do.Its great for AJ because we see her more than we see the Divas champ. It put Ziggs in a program with Cena.It lets Cena have something to do other than beating by Punk.

beat me to it but yeah, everybody already knew AJ was krayfish. vickie & dolph just tried to xploit the situation to their benefit and it backfired due to vince. AJ still being crazy doesn't mean her and cena were porking before she was fired as GM, it just means she still goofier than a pet coon.

i understand liking the heels better and rooting for them, especially when you don't like the faces, but c'mon. if you open your eyes it's pretty plain to see who are the bad guys and why.

[Alex L]

I've seen Ryder have good matches, with good workers, but still, good matches.
Whats holding him down is a goofy undercard gimmick.

The gimmick as-is right now is goofy undercard, but 'Long Island guido' is one that he can use to rise up the card. It's close enough to a real person (like Austin's redneck beer drinker) that he can quickly tweak and re-tool it and he could easily be a more serious wrestler using it.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

The gimmick as-is right now is goofy undercard, but 'Long Island guido' is one that he can use to rise up the card. It's close enough to a real person (like Austin's redneck beer drinker) that he can quickly tweak and re-tool it and he could easily be a more serious wrestler using it.

but he sucks when he tries to be serious.

[SephirothDZX]

i understand liking the heels better and rooting for them, especially when you don't like the faces, but c'mon. if you open your eyes it's pretty plain to see who are the bad guys and why.

I dunno, this is just my opinion but a recurring problem I've seen with WWE the last few years is that they like to run with storylines where the heel is actually the one who's right or is speaking with some common sense. While the faces are the ones who just get angry and immediately punch the "bad guy" in the face for speaking.

The gimmick as-is right now is goofy undercard, but 'Long Island guido' is one that he can use to rise up the card. It's close enough to a real person (like Austin's redneck beer drinker) that he can quickly tweak and re-tool it and he could easily be a more serious wrestler using it.

Except Austin's redneck beer drinker always had a line of seriousness to him which made him more believable when he needed to be serious. Ryder's gimmick is quite possibly the complete opposite of that.

[BYC]

Ryder can definitely go serious and get over. Lest we forget that Kurt Angle was goofy as hell before he turned serious. Triple H also did this. His dX days were full of silly nonsense.

[BeastieRunner]

Zack is not very good in the ring. Make him a manager.

[Alex]

Zack is not very good in the ring. Make him a manager.

He's not bad, i've watched a shitton of zack ryder matches because i was still watching superstars back before thye made him a jobber on Raw, and he's easily better than Ryback, who is main eventing in bad matches with great workers, and he's at least as good if not better than Miz, who has main evented multiple times.
His issue, in my mind, is his delivery of lines.

[Jeremi]

i understand liking the heels better and rooting for them, especially when you don't like the faces, but c'mon. if you open your eyes it's pretty plain to see who are the bad guys and why.

Regarding this didn't they have Cena be the one who attacked Ziggler after a match from behind? That's not really how a face should act, and he got cheered for it, so what do I know?

He's not bad, i've watched a shitton of zack ryder matches because i was still watching superstars back before thye made him a jobber on Raw, and he's easily better than Ryback, who is main eventing in bad matches with great workers, and he's at least as good if not better than Miz, who has main evented multiple times.
His issue, in my mind, is his delivery of lines.

I feel he could be a pretty good foil against Cesaro considering his gimmick. Would make more sense than R-Truth at least.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I dunno, this is just my opinion but a recurring problem I've seen with WWE the last few years is that they like to run with storylines where the heel is actually the one who's right or is speaking with some common sense. While the faces are the ones who just get angry and immediately punch the "bad guy" in the face for speaking.

that case(that the heels are right) could be made for any era not just in recent years. i could sit here and say jake was right for crashing machos wedding because macho always treated liz like shit, or that damien sandow is actually a face because he just wants to enlighten us. it's really not a problem though, there will always be fans who like the heels and it's not hard to rationalize their actions.

Ryder can definitely go serious and get over. Lest we forget that Kurt Angle was goofy as hell before he turned serious. Triple H also did this. His dX days were full of silly nonsense.

yeah and i'm sure zack could also win an olympic gold medal with a broken freakin neck too. i mean if kurt angle could do it why not zack ryder??

He's not bad, i've watched a shitton of zack ryder matches because i was still watching superstars back before thye made him a jobber on Raw, and he's easily better than Ryback, who is main eventing in bad matches with great workers, and he's at least as good if not better than Miz, who has main evented multiple times.
His issue, in my mind, is his delivery of lines.

i don't think anybody is saying he can't main event, anybody vince wants to can, but that he would suck as a main eventer. namong other guys who suck in main events doesn't mean he'd suck any less.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Regarding this didn't they have Cena be the one who attacked Ziggler after a match from behind? That's not really how a face should act, and he got cheered for it, so what do I know?

kayfabe you don't see how that was deserved?? just the week before dolph attacked cena from behind(while he was making out with AJ) and then ran away which led to cena injuring his knee. than later in the night dolph was saying mean things to AJ, then when AJ attacked dolph cena actually pulled her off and dolph attacked cena again(going after his injured knee no less). they say turnabout is fairplay. they also say cena is too much of a goodie 2 shoes but the moment he does something that might violate scouts honor they complain that he's acting like a heel.

I feel he could be a pretty good foil against Cesaro considering his gimmick. Would make more sense than R-Truth at least.

god please no. i think a returning jack swagger is the way to go. swaggers been gone long enough the jobber stench is not so pungent, if they pulled it off right the all american american vs the evil foreigner could be pretty good for both guys, and as far as matches go it would be a hell of a lot better than anything involving ryder ever has been.

[Alex]

i don't think anybody is saying he can't main event, anybody vince wants to can, but that he would suck as a main eventer. namong other guys who suck in main events doesn't mean he'd suck any less.

Oh, sorry, i was trying to say he probably would be better, matches would be at least.
I don't think he could, but i don't think Ryback and Miz should either.

[Red Lotus]

beat me to it but yeah, everybody already knew AJ was krayfish. vickie & dolph just tried to xploit the situation to their benefit and it backfired due to vince. AJ still being crazy doesn't mean her and cena were porking before she was fired as GM, it just means she still goofier than a pet coon.

i understand liking the heels better and rooting for them, especially when you don't like the faces, but c'mon. if you open your eyes it's pretty plain to see who are the bad guys and why.

When this first start it was, but now it has changed. Its not about the heels screwing with Cena and Aj, Its about Aj being the crazy girl friend who is going to do something to Cena. Just like that its set up for Aj to end up being the bad guy in the whole thing. I question was this really the payoff they wanted.

[Jeremi]

kayfabe you don't see how that was deserved?? just the week before dolph attacked cena from behind(while he was making out with AJ) and then ran away which led to cena injuring his knee. than later in the night dolph was saying mean things to AJ, then when AJ attacked dolph cena actually pulled her off and dolph attacked cena again(going after his injured knee no less). they say turnabout is fairplay. they also say cena is too much of a goodie 2 shoes but the moment he does something that might violate scouts honor they complain that he's acting like a heel.

Don't remember the earlier tussle, must've skipped it probably.

god please no. i think a returning jack swagger is the way to go. swaggers been gone long enough the jobber stench is not so pungent, if they pulled it off right the all american american vs the evil foreigner could be pretty good for both guys, and as far as matches go it would be a hell of a lot better than anything involving ryder ever has been.

If Swagger comes back soon then yes, but otherwise I think Ryder vs Cesaro would be pretty good. At least I think he deserves more than being a jobber to the heels.