WWE RAW IV: Show me respect!

**steve2275** · 11-09-2012, 05:47 AM

Posted in: WWE
Will JR Join Cole and Lawler on Commentary?, Upcoming Dates for CM Punk as WWE Champion
By Marc Middleton
Nov 8, 2012 - 8:28:48 AM

- With Jerry Lawler returning on Monday's RAW, The Wrestling Observer reports that there has been talk of doing a three-man announce team with Lawler, Jim Ross and Michael Cole. The decision will come down to what Vince McMahon wants and at last word, he had not made that decision yet.

- WWE Champion CM Punk will once again make history if he leaves the November 19th Survivor Series pay-per-view as champion. November 20th will mark Punk's official one year anniversary as WWE Champion. If he holds the title until then, he will be the first person to last a full calendar year with the title since John Cena's reign in 2006.

If Punk holds the title until Monday, November 26th then he will pass Randy Savage's reign of 371 days. If he makes it until Wednesday, December 5th then he will pass John Cena's 380 day reign. Once Punk passes that reign of Cena's, he will have been the longest reigning WWE Champion since Hulk Hogan's reign 1984-1988 reign.
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**Alex** · 11-09-2012, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by lboinyamouf4sho

something i've been meaning to bring up but keep forgetting. do you guys remember when HBK was inactive and a lot of guys from WCW/ECW had come in that used the superkick as signature not a finisher?? guys like lance storm, helms, xpac, justin credible, rikishi etc. anyways now that HBK is gone again i've noticed the usos use the superkick, also wade barrett does it but not to the chin. anyways do you guys think a guy could get over with the sweet chin music as a finisher now days or the crowd would shit on anybody not HBK using it s a finisher. say for instance if james storm came to the WWE, would he need a different finisher??

i really don't know, think it would be interesting to see.

Edge used the spear, and it wasn't even a good spear, but it was over, and goldberg had been in the company. I tend to think the crowds are overall more educated, they pop for submissions and stuff, probably mma influence, so they know a kick to the head hurts.

**lboinyamouf4sho** · 11-09-2012, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Alex

Edge used the spear, and it wasn't even a good spear, but it was over, and goldberg had been in the company. I tend to think the crowds are overall more educated, they pop for submissions and stuff, probably mma influence, so they know a kick to the head hurts.

spear wasn't goldbergs finisher though, it was a signature. rhino used the spear as a finisher but he was never a top guy in WWE.

**Alex** · 11-09-2012, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by lboinyamouf4sho

spear wasn't goldbergs finisher though, it was a signature. rhino used the spear as a finisher but he was never a top guy in WWE.

Oh yeah, he did that jackknife dealy.
Rhino was over though, though the period he was in fucking everything was over.
I also don't think HBK is half the star a lot of people assume he is because he's so good. He honestly had a really short time on top, in the time period a lot of the kids who watch would remember at least, he missed large portions of the attitude era and the new generation stuff isn't as fondly looked back on. Honestly, i think a large amount of people would just think the guy is ripping of the brouge kick, but i may not be giving the audience enough credit.

**XPac** · 11-09-2012, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by lboinyamouf4sho

something i've been meaning to bring up but keep forgetting. do you guys remember when HBK was inactive and a lot of guys from WCW/ECW had come in that used the superkick as signature not a finisher?? guys like lance storm, helms, xpac, justin credible, rikishi etc. anyways now that HBK is gone again i've noticed the usos use the superkick, also wade barrett does it but not to the chin. anyways do you guys think a guy could get over with the sweet chin music as a finisher now days or the crowd would shit on anybody not HBK using it s a finisher. say for instance if james storm came to the WWE, would he need a different finisher??

i really don't know, think it would be interesting to see.

There were a few people that used a super kick, even if it wasn't their finisher though. Prior to the Usos, a lot of the Samoans had it in their bag of tricks. Yokosuna and Rikisha for example.

A kick is almost such a basic move, that I don't think you can really call dibs on it. It's almost like Big Show calling dibs on a punch (though not quite to that degree). Guys like Punk and Daniels use kicks all the time, though obviously not as elaborate in set up as HBK's. Because it's so basic a move (and something a person would really use potentially in a fight), I don't think anyone would get shit on for using it. It's not like say using a pedigree or something.

**Alex** · 11-09-2012, 06:48 AM

Someone needs to bring the heart punch back.

**SephirothDZX** · 11-09-2012, 07:03 AM

I'd like to see the Jackhammer (Goldberg's finisher) make a comeback. That, and I'd like to see a newer guy adopt the Sharpshooter. Rock and Edge both mixed it into their movesets late in their careers and both kind of made it look lame.

**Alex** · 11-09-2012, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by SephirothDZX

I'd like to see the Jackhammer (Goldberg's finisher) make a comeback. That, and I'd like to see a newer guy adopt the Sharpshooter. Rock and Edge both mixed it into their movesets late in their careers and both kind of made it look lame.

I don't remember Edge's, but Rock's sharpshooter was horrible.

**BeastieRunner** · 11-09-2012, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by SephirothDZX

I'd like to see the Jackhammer (Goldberg's finisher) make a comeback. That, and I'd like to see a newer guy adopt the Sharpshooter. Rock and Edge both mixed it into their movesets late in their careers and both kind of made it look lame.

Rock's was sloppy and Edge did a variant. Edge's I can forgive, Rock just needs to stop.

**XPac** · 11-09-2012, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by SephirothDZX

I'd like to see the Jackhammer (Goldberg's finisher) make a comeback. That, and I'd like to see a newer guy adopt the Sharpshooter. Rock and Edge both mixed it into their movesets late in their careers and both kind of made it look lame.

I think Natalya uses the Sharpshooter as a finisher. Not quite sure as I haven't seen her win a match in awhile. Edge used the Educator, which was sort of a kneeling inverted sharpshooter. It was sort of a different move. Sort of.

I personally miss off the top rope finishers. People still use them as signature, but we don't see too many as actual finishes anymore.

**SephirothDZX** · 11-09-2012, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by BeastieRunner

Rock's was sloppy and Edge did a variant. Edge's I can forgive, Rock just needs to stop.

Originally Posted by Alex

I don't remember Edge's, but Rock's sharpshooter was horrible.

Rock's Sharpshooter doesn't work simply because Rock doesn't sit down and lean back anywhere close to enough, so it just too obviously looks like the opponent isn't in any pain. When you look at Bret Hart's Sharpshooter it always looked like Hart was trying to snap the guy in half.

Originally Posted by XPac

I think Natalya uses the Sharpshooter as a finisher. Not quite sure as I haven't seen her win a match in awhile. Edge used the Educator, which was sort of a kneeling inverted sharpshooter. It was sort of a different move. Sort of.

I personally miss off the top rope finishers. People still use them as signature, but we don't see too many as actual finishes anymore.

Yeah I miss top rope finishers. I think the reason wrestlers are getting away from them is because only certain scenarios apply for them and there's probably a larger risk for injury.

**Alex** · 11-09-2012, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by XPac

I think Natalya uses the Sharpshooter as a finisher. Not quite sure as I haven't seen her win a match in awhile. Edge used the Educator, which was sort of a kneeling inverted sharpshooter. It was sort of a different move. Sort of.

I personally miss off the top rope finishers. People still use them as signature, but we don't see too many as actual finishes anymore.

Natalyas is better than rocks, has better tits as well.

**XPac** · 11-09-2012, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by SephirothDZX

Rock's Sharpshooter doesn't work simply because Rock doesn't sit down and lean back anywhere close to enough, so it just too obviously looks like the opponent isn't in any pain. When you look at Bret Hart's Sharpshooter it always looked like Hart was trying to snap the guy in half.

Yeah I miss top rope finishers. I think the reason wrestlers are getting away from them is because only certain scenarios apply for them and there's probably a larger risk for injury.

Funny thing about Rocks sharp shooter is that he often looked like he was in more pain applying his move than his opponent. Seriously, he looked like he was giving birth or something.

**SephirothDZX** · 11-09-2012, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by XPac

Funny thing about Rocks sharp shooter is that he often looked like he was in more pain applying his move than his opponent. Seriously, he looked like he was giving birth or something.

He also looks like he's trying to pinch off a steamer on his opponent too.