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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell D. View Post
    The book survived through the TPBs, like the majority of Vertigo titles.
    That's been made pretty clear.
    ...has it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaMic View Post
    At what point do fans take responsibility for low sales?

    It's one thing if the book did decent numbers and still got cancelled but.....

    The book has been selling more or less the same for quite some time, so sales levels don't make sense as a reason for the cancellation.

    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaMic View Post
    ...has it?
    Yes, the TPB sales were consistently good enough. It is typical of Vertigo titles to sell better in TPB than in floppies.

    Please go troll some other thread since you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaMic View Post
    ...has it?
    Go look at some ICV2 numbers the past decade of Hellblazer.... (waits...)




    Now do you realize that in no way would DC allow a comic to run 100 issues if sales were that bad. Its the same way Jonah Hex survived. TPB sales kept it going.

    What DC is gambling on the same fans picking up the lighter version. Which so far judging from the negative reaction ...won't happen.
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    They're gambling on new fans to pick it up as well....I mean hey, it worked for the main DC line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaMic View Post
    They're gambling on new fans to pick it up as well....I mean hey, it worked for the main DC line.
    ...has it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaMic View Post
    They're gambling on new fans to pick it up as well....I mean hey, it worked for the main DC line.
    It worked for "some" of the DC Line. Look at the cancellations since then. Not everything has worked. This itself with the negative press so far (creators have said it sucks) the writer is trying his hardest to tell fans to read. But the negative attention to it , may kill the series .
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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1 View Post
    It worked for "some" of the DC Line. Look at the cancellations since then. Not everything has worked. This itself with the negative press so far (creators have said it sucks) the writer is trying his hardest to tell fans to read. But the negative attention to it , may kill the series .
    I don't like to wish failure on titles, but honestly, I kind of hope it's been killed so that there's some kind of chance we'll get Hellblazer back...
    Avengers Arena is one of the best books in the shops right now, it's seriously amazing.

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    They could always do mini series of the Vertigo Hellblazer.

    It still sucks to do a stunt like this .. lay him to rest, but don't neuter him ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1 View Post
    It worked for "some" of the DC Line. Look at the cancellations since then. Not everything has worked. This itself with the negative press so far (creators have said it sucks) the writer is trying his hardest to tell fans to read. But the negative attention to it , may kill the series .
    Negative attention means nothing

    Justice League is bashed left and right online (I don't like it either)....but its pretty much #1 every month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaMic View Post
    Negative attention means nothing

    Justice League is bashed left and right online (I don't like it either)....but its pretty much #1 every month.
    That's because it's The Justice League. There are books that will sell no matter what just because of the characters or because people like to collect them. No one grew up with Nu52's Constantine, books like that rely on the quality of their stories and even then, DC Comics fans are fickle. It wont last as long as Hellblazer did. I give it less that 30 issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by LooneyKoala View Post
    I don't like to wish failure on titles, but honestly, I kind of hope it's been killed so that there's some kind of chance we'll get Hellblazer back...
    And there was No Need for that. Frank Castle: The Punisher and PunisherMax were published at the same time as The Punisher and both audiences fed from each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LooneyKoala View Post
    I don't like to wish failure on titles, but honestly, I kind of hope it's been killed so that there's some kind of chance we'll get Hellblazer back...
    You want DiDio and company to admit they're wrong and then say "Okay, you can have the old version back again"?!?

    Are you on crack or something? I think it's more likely the DCnU will suddenly revert back to the pre-CoIE version of the DC Universe, and they'll suddenly install Al Gore as President of the United States before Christmas of this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaMic View Post
    Negative attention means nothing

    Justice League is bashed left and right online (I don't like it either)....but its pretty much #1 every month.
    Look at what your comparing though... Justice League features the heavy hitters of the DCU who have been exposed more the past 70 years than what Constantine was beyond a movie in the mid 2000's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidocq View Post
    That's because it's The Justice League. There are books that will sell no matter what just because of the characters or because people like to collect them. No one grew up with Nu52's Constantine, books like that rely on the quality of their stories and even then, DC Comics fans are fickle. It wont last as long as Hellblazer did. I give it less that 30 issues.
    Remember the last incarnation of JL pre-new 52? It didn't sell well. So no, the characters alone doesn't sell. See Batman. The main Batman book breaks 100k every month but the rest Batman doesn't sell that much. Creative teams and directions matter.
    I the DCU Constantine has the same mature themes, there's no reason why it won't sell the same or even better than Hellblazer. Unfortunately I don't see DC going that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    You want DiDio and company to admit they're wrong and then say "Okay, you can have the old version back again"?!?

    Are you on crack or something? I think it's more likely the DCnU will suddenly revert back to the pre-CoIE version of the DC Universe, and they'll suddenly install Al Gore as President of the United States before Christmas of this year.
    Sadly I know. They'll never admit they were wrong. Even if they realise it and do something about it (which I doubt), they'll say it was all part of the plan.
    Avengers Arena is one of the best books in the shops right now, it's seriously amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCatron View Post
    In the meantime, I'm dropping JL Dark and not going to pick up Constantine unless I hear VERY good things about it.
    With all due respect, were you hearing very good things about the current run of Hellblazer? I ask this because 1) I don't remember the series being even reviewed in major websites like CBR and Comics Alliance, 2) I forgot when was the last time the series was even nominated for an Eisner, Harvey, anything really, 3) I don't think the series even had any word of mouth promoting it. No one remembered this series until a few weeks ago, and all of the sudden it's the greatest comic book ever and everyone's sad to see it go.

    Considering the output of recent years, I'm relieved to see it end at last.

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