Does Catwoman work better as a villain or an antihero?

[TheDarkNut]

That's mighty rich from someone who labels all person who have stolen something, which by the way is an act we have all committed at least once in our life, "evil".

Stealing is wrong. Stealing is illegal. But putting it at the same level as rape and murder, as you did, is plain preposterous.

What's the deal with you ? Some bully stole your lollipops when you were a kid ?

I've never stolen in my life. Lucky me, I guess.

[carabas]

Yes, I know, which is why I said she is the anti-hero, (in her book) because she is the protagonist. She can be viewed as a villain in Batman's book, since he's the hero of his story, if she is the antagonist.

An anti-hero is not a villain who is a protagonist. An anti-hero is an anti-hero, which has a very lose definition and can cover anything from the Punisher to Cat-Man to Indiana Jones.

The protagonist from for instance Mark Millar's "Nemesis" is not an anti-hero, but a complete villain.

[Mr. Holmes]

Millar's stuff will always be an outlier, because he indulges in that kind of "fk yeah let's kill and rape these guys" with the protagonist, but I do think villain protagonists are often going to be antiheroes. Case in point, Lex Luthor. He's still evil as a protagonist, but it's a different perspective.

[stk]

Millar's stuff will always be an outlier, because he indulges in that kind of "fk yeah let's kill and rape these guys" with the protagonist, but I do think villain protagonists are often going to be antiheroes. Case in point, Lex Luthor. He's still evil as a protagonist, but it's a different perspective.

But if you have a Luthor story where his antagonist is Superman, you still wouldn't call Superman a villain, would you?

[hunter_peterson]

But if you have a Luthor story where his antagonist is Superman, you still wouldn't call Superman a villain, would you?

No, you would call Superman the antagonist. Counter to the protagonist, not a moral judgement. It's just a role. But Luthor would certainly call Superman a villain.

That said, I wholly agree with your earlier comment about Catwoman being less interesting for always stealing from bad people. I want to see her take what she wants without much regard for others. Show what the world's greatest thief would actually be like, and show the effect that it would have on people. I mean, the only times we ever see he people she's already stolen from is when they call mob/supervillain vengeance down upon her through their criminal connections. Seeing old people's lives disrupted would be a lot more interesting and would present Catwoman in a much more interesting light.