Should Wakanda punish Atlantis for Namor's actions?

[Moose100]

Namor's actions decimated Wakanda so yes..

[CJStriker]

You seem like a good guy stussy, you should let CJ educate you on Wanda and you'd probably get more enjoyment out of your comics than you would as just another blind Cyclops mark. Report to the appreciation thread for indoctrination.

Stussys a Good Guy and he is willing to have a talk and that is why I know I can help him see the light on Wanda and get by all the negative stuff my bro has learned about her that is untrue. He just needs times to learn and I am willing to teach.

[CJStriker]

Dead on Pepper. Love how the facts got twisted to support some Wanda bull. It was obvious that Rictor went crazy with his abilities on his own accord. Nothing form that scene showed that Wanda's repowering was unstable.

That is why I keep having the discussion with Stussy to convince him that the Re-powering would have worked cause their was NO Evidence in the story that it would have not. Stussy is a good guy, but he has heard to many negatives on Wanda. Wanda is a good, kind and Heroic person that got turned into a puppet. Once you open your mind to the other side, then you start to see good in Wanda and the tragedy she went threw.

Her Re-powering would have Worked 100%.

[moneyspider]

Nah, I disagree. If T'challa is hell-bent on revenge, that's on him.

“Holding onto anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.” - Buddha

Lol, I'm not countering it because I haven't said dick about Wakanda's military strength, other than the fact that I think Attilan would crush them.

I stand by that, btw.

I haven't started any off-topic conversations. I've just been responding. Please direct your resentment elsewhere.

If you think that revenge is the best solution to problems, we can agree to disagree.

This is 100% absolute crap that you've been posting.

You're purposely trying to put T'Challa in a bad light and in a no-win situation.

If Wakanda is attacked by Atlantis (which it was by Namor and his Atlantean army), but T'Challa does not retaliate, he is seen as weak and his country is seen as weak.

On the other hand, if T'Challa and Wakanda demand revenge/retaliation on Atlantis because what Atlantis did was an ACT OF WAR (which it was), then you say that T'Challa should not seek revenge, because it's not the best solution. You seem to think that a country that suffered a sneak attack should not go to war with the one that attacked it, and that's not how politics works at all.

But in this scenario that you and others are trying to set up, T'Challa and Wakanda lose no matter what. Either Wakanda is seen as weak for not retaliating (and by not retaliating would therefore allow Namor and Atlantis to get away with genocide), or T'Challa is considered to be "wrong" for wanting revenge on a nation that committed genocide in Wakanda.

Something tells me that if the situation was reversed, not only would this no-win scenario NOT exist for Namor and Atlantis, but the anti-Black Panther posters would be screaming for T'Challa's head for launching a sneak attack on Atlantis and committing genocide.

Bottom line is, when Country A gets attacked by Country B, especially out of the blue in a sneak attack with an army that clearly knows what it is doing and clearly knows it is harming innocent civilians, Country A will retaliate...either alone or with its allies. It's as simple as that. When Country B commits genocide against Country A, there will be an attempt at retribution. It might not happen right away, but it will happen.

Get out of here with all of that "Be the better person" BS. You know who should have been the better person? NAMOR, by not attacking Wakanda and committing genocide in the first place.

Also, you brought Attilan into the conversation, just so that you could tell us who YOU think could crush Wakanda, even though that was not part of the discussion. This thread is about Wakanda and Atlantis, but for some odd reason, the region that YOU think could beat Wakanda made its way into the thread. It's also odd how you never mentioned which region you think could beat Atlantis. If you're going to veer off topic, it would seem like the logical thing for you to do would be to veer off topic again and tell us who you think would crush Atlantis.

[renne]

genocide is really not right term to describe invading a sovereign nation for the purposes of attacking someone else within the borders.

namor didn't attack wakanda to deliberately and systematically destroy the wakandans. he attacked wakanda because t'challa was harbouring the avengers, and that was where transonic had been taken (no matter that namor seemed to forget about her within about 5 seconds of crossing the border). this was NOT genocide.



(also can i say how impressed i am that there is a 800+ post thread about namor and t'challa and it hasn't been locked yet?)

[Rheged]

Try looking up the word genocide. Cause it doesn't mean attacking another country.

Try posting a single panel with dead Wakandan civilians from Namor's attack. Or any panel that says anything about civilian casualties. Wakanda is a fortified city full of warriors and, as folks here trying to prove their military superiority keep harping on, Wakandans are a warrior people.

Try reading the part of AvX where Namor, and the rest of the P5, were forced to play host to a broken Phoenix Force, which clearly altered those five people.

And Namor IS the better person. Namor bent over backwards to keep Wakanda and Atlantis out a war, after T'challa STARTED a war with Atlantis back in Sturm Und Drang. Namor cared more about those Wakandan civilians you keep going on and on about, than T'challa, and was willing to look 'weak' to stop a war, which T'challa caused for no good reason, but his own arrogance. And unlike Namor, he wasn't possessed by the Phoenix Force, when he did so.

And I'm still waiting for T'challa to man up and admit he made a grave error that cost the lives of his people by letting the Avengers use Wakanda in AvX. Even Tony has 'manned up' and admitted his role in the P5 fiasco.

[TonyStark1012]

Try looking up the word genocide. Cause it doesn't mean attacking another country.

Try posting a single panel with dead Wakandan civilians from Namor's attack. Or any panel that says anything about civilian casualties. Wakanda is a fortified city full of warriors and, as folks here trying to prove their military superiority keep harping on, Wakandans are a warrior people.

Try reading the part of AvX where Namor, and the rest of the P5, were forced to play host to a broken Phoenix Force, which clearly altered those five people.

And Namor IS the better person. Namor bent over backwards to keep Wakanda and Atlantis out a war, after T'challa STARTED a war with Atlantis back in Sturm Und Drang. Namor cared more about those Wakandan civilians you keep going on and on about, than T'challa, and was willing to look 'weak' to stop a war, which T'challa caused for no good reason, but his own arrogance. And unlike Namor, he wasn't possessed by the Phoenix Force, when he did so.

And I'm still waiting for T'challa to man up and admit he made a grave error that cost the lives of his people by letting the Avengers use Wakanda in AvX. Even Tony has 'manned up' and admitted his role in the P5 fiasco.

It was stated that thousands died. You don't think any of them were Civilians?! Woman and Children?! Namor is proud of what he did. He walks around smiling about. It showed in AVX when the wave hit that people were right there when it was happening.

[TonyStark1012]

or someone that doesn't feel remorse.

Namor feels remorse about it. Has he said or shown it anywhere? I don't read X-Men books so I wouldn't know if he said it there, but he sure hasn't said or acted like it in New Avengers.

[Iron Maiden]

As to Namor feeling remorse, I don't think it was a very direct but Namor did tell Hope, and I am paraphrasing, that he didn't like feeling small and insignificant. I take it as meaning that when he had a portion of the PF, he was being ruled by it. Namor is too proud to admit that he was not in full control of himself. Tom B said that the PF would bring out things that are under the surface about that person but under control. Look at what the PF has done to hosts in the past, esp Jean Grey. She blasted through that planet of broccoli people without a second thought, and IMO she had a much less overtly aggressive personality than Namor. Also, Namor was being manipulated by Emma who of course seems to be getting a free pass here.

[TonyStark1012]

Namor didn't get to press the attack on Wakanda cause the Avenger stomped the shit out of him and then he went into hiding like a chump. Oh did you forget how that battle ended?

Yeah. I should have mentioned this. That's why the phoenix force left him in the first place.

[Global Honored]

And we have reached the point where the arguments have become repetitive and even personal.
We will have to wait and see how this all plays out in the pages of New Avengers.

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