AVX COMMENTARY TRACK: Jason Aaron on the Final Chapter! Plus, Bonus Features!

[CBR News]

In our final edition of the AVX COMMENTARY TRACK, writer Jason Aaron joins us for a discussion of some of the pivotal sequences in issue #12. Plus, an exclusive look at "Uncanny Avengers" and a final behind the scenes of "AvX!"


Full article here.

[mikeb]

Did you see at the bottom of the article where Rogue belts Wanda?Wanda probably shot her mouth off about what happen to Carol way back when...

[Omega Alpha]

A few points:

• First, I hate Aaron pushing his faith pet theme and turning every atheist/not particularly religious character into a believer. Not only because he almost always handles it poorly and in a heavy-handed, but because the whole idea is disrespectful- he wouldn't have a Muslim character "seeing the light" and becoming a Christian, or say a Catholic "having a new outlook on life" and becoming not tied to any religious, so the whole thing is disrespectful to atheists, agnostics and non religious people.
• Of course, Aaron is far from the only writer to do that in media, specially American one. I was honestly surprised they kept House a cynic to the end in a network show, because that kind of thing rarely happens. And should be said he's nowhere near as bad JMS with the mystic predestination non-sense.
• Yeah, of course the new Nova being there was a natural development and not a way to call attention to Jeph Loeb's new series. No, sir.
• I agree with him that it was best to left ambiguous whether it was Jean or not.
• I'd also prefer Marvel to bring numbers close to Morrison's day, since it opens more potential for storylines, but I know it's not his fault, and won't change at least until Quesada and Alonso are out of Marvel.
• Captain America seeing himself was the winner and Cyclops the loser of this shows what the problem was in the first place: that he saw the Phoenix arriving necessarily as the start of a war and Cyclops as the enemy because he dared opposed him, and because he chose to listen only to people that he knew were biased against Scott, either due to stupidty or simply because he wanted people that would tell him what he wanted to hear. He was written as a thug during a good part of the event. By contrast, Scott doesn't care whether Cap. wins or not and doesn't oppose him trying to contribute to the future of mutantkind, which makes Cap. look even worse.
• Overall, the "writing comittee" thing was a failed experiment- events are bad enough with one writer being forced to go out of his way to please editorial, having to coordenate with other writers makes the events look more uneven and the characters voices too different from one issue to another, sometimes in the same issue, or having writers being forced to backtrack in other to make the characters in character and the story to make sense (like Gillen in Uncanny).
  

[Torskjegg]

Aaron does push the faith thing a bit, doesn't he? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. If this is done in the manner you describe in Aaron's Thor, that might chase me away from the book.

I didn't read AvX, but I appreciate seeing the script and what went into this series.

[Viteh]

Wait, if Wanda gets to keep her whole chaos magic, while Hope loses the Phoenix, didn't Wanda just win the Ying Yang thing?
Basically Wanda convinced Hope to destroy her competition. There's no balance left. Chaos won. No more Phoenix, right?

[Roquefort Raider]

A few points:

• Captain America seeing himself was the winner and Cyclops the loser of this shows what the problem was in the first place: that he saw the Phoenix arriving necessarily as the start of a war and Cyclops as the enemy because he dared opposed him, and because he chose to listen only to people that he knew were biased against Scott, either due to stupidty or simply because he wanted people that would tell him what he wanted to hear. He was written as a thug during a good part of the event. By contrast, Scott doesn't care whether Cap. wins or not and doesn't oppose him trying to contribute to the future of mutantkind, which makes Cap. look even worse.

Cap sounds like he's trying to take his own guilt out on Scott, which makes him uncharacteristically hypocritical or equally uncharacteristically self-delusional. It's very human, but I figured Steve for someone who had a better grasp of his own motivations.

Despite the devastation caused by Scott and his brethren, Cap should not forget that what finally solved the problem was doing just what Cyclops wanted to do in the first place: getting the Phoenix to reach Hope. It's the Avengers' meddling that needlessly turned a volatile situation into an outright mess. "Don't even dare think about this like a win"? Well, what else could it be? Mutantkind is saved. That was the one thing Cyclops worked for over the last few years, the one thing he sacrificed pretty much everything for.

It's actually quite a satisfying ending, I think. No blank exoneration for Cyclops, but no turning him into a crazed villain either. He did disputable things for a good cause, and the cause triumphed despite big losses. It'll take some time adjusting to the aftermath. There just might be some genuine character development in this after all!

[Omega Alpha]

Cap sounds like he's trying to take his own guilt out on Scott, which makes him uncharacteristically hypocritical or equally uncharacteristically self-delusional. It's very human, but I figured Steve for someone who had a better grasp of his own motivations.

Yes, I'm not claiming Cap is being written in character there, which makes me even more perplexed to see some fans of him fully defending his attitude.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

If we get a third mutant punching out Wanda, we got a trend!

[Omega Alpha]

If we get a third mutant punching out Wanda, we got a trend!

Every mutant should do this!

Also, it's CANON that Pixie and Squirrel Girl caused AvX. And that's a FACT.

[AcesX1X]

rogue, you're slightly less terrible now, but you are still terrible.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

rogue, you're slightly less terrible now, but you are still terrible.

>>Hating Rogue
>>2012

[Sam Robards, Comic Fan]

This series had some good moments and bad moments, making it just ok overall. It certainly wasn't the catastrophe that Fear Itself was or the bore that Secret Invasion was.

As for the specifics, despite the toll, I think Cyclops was fairly justified in the end. Yeah, things obviously didn't go the way he'd have liked, but the end result is exactly what he thought would/should happen.

Cap didn't quite seem to realize just how much of this conflict was his fault. Cap started the conflict by demanding the handing over of Hope in the first issue and exacerbated it due to their repeated attacks on the Phoenix 5 in issue 6. Maybe we'll see a bit more culpability from Cap, but I doubt it.

Was anyone else intrigued by Cyclops's "you're not supposed to be here" quip to Nova? As a Nova fan myself, I'm interested to see his new series, but it looks like there could be more to it than Sam simply being a new Nova Corps recruit.

With the Phoenix seemingly gone, doesn't that throw the balance, as it were, strictly in the favor of Wanda's Chaos Magic?

Question, though: why is Magneto on of the "rogue X-Men"? He called Xavier and them to Utopia and helped them out against Cyclops. So why is he being hunted? I understand the Phoenix Five, but Magneto worked to help the Avengers in the end. Seems kinda bonkers to me.

[PwrdOff]

To hell with Rogue and her massive gorilla hands. Wanda's got a great chin anyway, if a Chaos Fist can't put her down for more than a few seconds then what can Rogue really do to hurt her?

[Test of Strength]

That hit looks so brutal. I'm sure Wanda took it, but just the way its been drawn has such an impact, looking like Wanda's skull was shattered.


Oof!

[mugiwara]

A few points:

• First, I hate Aaron pushing his faith pet theme and turning every atheist/not particularly religious character into a believer. Not only because he almost always handles it poorly and in a heavy-handed, but because the whole idea is disrespectful- he wouldn't have a Muslim character "seeing the light" and becoming a Christian, or say a Catholic "having a new outlook on life" and becoming not tied to any religious, so the whole thing is disrespectful to atheists, agnostics and non religious people.

I second that. "You don't have any faith, so why do you care?" is something often implied when in comes to athests.

rogue, you're slightly less terrible now, but you are still terrible.

And that.