REVIEW: Avengers Vs. X-Men #12

[CBR News]

Jason Aaron and Andy Kubert bring "Avengers Vs. X-Men" home with this final issue of Marvel's big showdown summer event.


Full review here.

[A_Nominus]

Not as good as it could have been, but the event served its purpose. It's always been the fall-out/follow-up stories that interest me the most anyways.

[ALittleTooRaph]

This event was so painful as an X-Men fan, and a huge fan of Cyclops. I'm really glad it's over. I saw the ending coming for months now, but at least the damn thing is over. I dislike the Avengers more now than ever and refuse to pick up any book that involves them. However, I'm more so just disgusted with Marvel as a company. They are all teaser and synopsis, and very rarely deliver stories that feel compelling or aren't boring or predictable. I'm not going to be picking up many Marvel Now! titles, seeing as how I'll know everything there is to know just from previews and covers anyway. But that's Marvel. Oh well, 'nuff said.

[DiceRoll]

This event was so painful as an X-Men fan, and a huge fan of Cyclops. I'm really glad it's over. I saw the ending coming for months now, but at least the damn thing is over. I dislike the Avengers more now than ever and refuse to pick up any book that involves them. However, I'm more so just disgusted with Marvel as a company. They are all teaser and synopsis, and very rarely deliver stories that feel compelling or aren't boring or predictable. I'm not going to be picking up many Marvel Now! titles, seeing as how I'll know everything there is to know just from previews and covers anyway. But that's Marvel. Oh well, 'nuff said.

Honestly I think there's pain to go around. Yeah, I like the Avengers and yeah, I like Steve, but that scene in the prison made me wanna smack the shit outta him and then bury my head and pretend it never happened. Hell, this entire event I've been oping that 50's Cap or something was impersonating Steve.

[ALittleTooRaph]

Honestly I think there's pain to go around. Yeah, I like the Avengers and yeah, I like Steve, but that scene in the prison made me wanna smack the shit outta him and then bury my head and pretend it never happened. Hell, this entire event I've been oping that 50's Cap or something was impersonating Steve.

I'm not a Captain America fan so it's good to hear that even a fan of his is disgusted with his behavior during this event. I didn't see how anyone could like the guy with his lame phrases and self righteous tendencies.

[DiceRoll]

I'm not a Captain America fan so it's good to hear that even a fan of his is disgusted with his behavior during this event. I didn't see how anyone could like the guy with his lame phrases and self righteous tendencies.

Don't worry, quite a few fans are put off by what he's been doing this event.

[rizorex]

AvX was one of the most horrible series ever produced by Marvel if not the worse in my opinion. So they wants us to buy that it was all Cyclops fault in the end? and that Wolverine and Capt America in the end were saints?! These writers have already thrown everything that is wrong on Cyclops since Schism, stripped him of his dignity, branded him a war criminal, killer of his own father and his own kind and humans (the very humans he struggled to protect) and in the end threw him in Jail while Wolverine and Capt America walks out like they are the savior of the world and the Cyclops's Judge and Jury? In what Universe does Wolverine grows a conscience and starts a school, the idiot that was good at killing and now is against it? and he gets to walk away free to give a Eulogy while Cyclops was left cuffed in solitary confinement? Then Cyclops has a vision of Jean Grey where she says "Tell Wolverine I like the school's name" So Marvel is trying to force feed us that even in the end Wolverine wins Jean? talk about pouring vinegar on an already gaping wound! I think they should've just killed Cyclops and gave him a proper burial than let him live on with such disgrace. Joss Whedon was the only writer who got Cyclops right and I'm hoping that he'll find some way to revive Cyclops and redeem him to his proper place. No mutant has more honor than Cyclops not even the noble Capt America comes close to it. I used to like Capt America but after this AvX series I've learned to dislike him and learned to hate Wolverine even more than ever. Of all the mutants Cyclops was the only one who had conviction and held it on til the end while the rest of the mutants he was fighting for turned their backs on him. And I have since lost my confidence in Marvel. Marvel just like any other company and was not immune to corporate greed, it's all about the money and they'll keep milking that cash cow for as long as they can without any heed for the characters we truly care about. Cyclops was the most underrated mutant of them all and he deserved a much better treatment than the hand he was dealt with. For whatever reason Marvel used him as an escape goat a means to earn more cash by making him the villain, and making Wolverine and Capt America as the heroes, and who cares about Hope and why does that bitch get to become the messiah in the end they should've just killed her off like Jean Grey. To me in my opinion this lengthy series that went round and round in the end was just all about the ongoing feud between Cyclops and Wolverine, they just threw in the Avengers and the Phoenix in the mix. The series was a bunch of inconsistent Bull Crap and a waste of my hard earned dollar!!! and now Marvel is gonna try and feed us with A + X series? I think I'm gonna give DC a try for a change, perhaps they can alleviate my frustrations. One thing is clear in this though and settles an old argument, Cyclops got balls bigger than Wolverine's.

[turtletrekker]

^ Not reading that. Learn to put spaces between paragraphs.

[ALittleTooRaph]

^ Not reading that. Learn to put spaces between paragraphs.

AvX was one of the most horrible series ever produced by Marvel if not the worse in my opinion. So they wants us to buy that it was all Cyclops fault in the end? and that Wolverine and Capt America in the end were saints?! These writers have already thrown everything that is wrong on Cyclops since Schism, stripped him of his dignity, branded him a war criminal, killer of his own father and his own kind and humans (the very humans he struggled to protect) and in the end threw him in Jail while Wolverine and Capt America walks out like they are the savior of the world and the Cyclops's Judge and Jury? In what Universe does Wolverine grows a conscience and starts a school, the idiot that was good at killing and now is against it? and he gets to walk away free to give a Eulogy while Cyclops was left cuffed in solitary confinement?

Then Cyclops has a vision of Jean Grey where she says "Tell Wolverine I like the school's name" So Marvel is trying to force feed us that even in the end Wolverine wins Jean? talk about pouring vinegar on an already gaping wound! I think they should've just killed Cyclops and gave him a proper burial than let him live on with such disgrace. Joss Whedon was the only writer who got Cyclops right and I'm hoping that he'll find some way to revive Cyclops and redeem him to his proper place.

No mutant has more honor than Cyclops not even the noble Capt America comes close to it. I used to like Capt America but after this AvX series I've learned to dislike him and learned to hate Wolverine even more than ever. Of all the mutants Cyclops was the only one who had conviction and held it on til the end while the rest of the mutants he was fighting for turned their backs on him.

And I have since lost my confidence in Marvel. Marvel just like any other company and was not immune to corporate greed, it's all about the money and they'll keep milking that cash cow for as long as they can without any heed for the characters we truly care about. Cyclops was the most underrated mutant of them all and he deserved a much better treatment than the hand he was dealt with. For whatever reason Marvel used him as an escape goat a means to earn more cash by making him the villain, and making Wolverine and Capt America as the heroes, and who cares about Hope and why does that bitch get to become the messiah in the end they should've just killed her off like Jean Grey.

To me in my opinion this lengthy series that went round and round in the end was just all about the ongoing feud between Cyclops and Wolverine, they just threw in the Avengers and the Phoenix in the mix. The series was a bunch of inconsistent Bull Crap and a waste of my hard earned dollar!!! and now Marvel is gonna try and feed us with A + X series? I think I'm gonna give DC a try for a change, perhaps they can alleviate my frustrations. One thing is clear in this though and settles an old argument, Cyclops got balls bigger than Wolverine's.

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There you go dude. I put some paragraphs in his post for you to read. Although there are countless grammar errors that I will not be correcting, he does make a few good points I believe.

[Prof. Warren]

The point of AvX was that neither side was completely right or wrong. Marvel succeeded in telling a story in which both sides had their own blindspots and failings and yet believed in the justness of their actions. Cap might have come off as self-righteous but he was acting in the interest of saving the world and Cyclops may have turned into a zealot but he believed he was ushering in a utopia and saving his race from extinction. As it turned out, both men were partially right. Cyclops might be in jail at the conclusion of AvX but he's not a villain - more of a tragic hero. Although his actions caused much pain, at least he owned up to what he did rather than pin it all on the Phoenix's influence and he didn't become contrite under Cap's scorn. On a certain level, I think he's proud of what he did, no matter what the cost, because the mutant race has a future again. As for Cap, I don't think he feels his hands are entirely clean and forming the Uncanny Avengers is clearly a way for him to atone for whatever mistakes he's made and to bear some responsbility for human and mutant relations moving forward.

That seems like a positive conclusion to me.

[ALittleTooRaph]

The point of AvX was that neither side was completely right or wrong. Marvel succeeded in telling a story in which both sides had their own blindspots and failings and yet believed in the justness of their actions. Cap might have come off as self-righteous but he was acting in the interest of saving the world and Cyclops may have turned into a zealot but he believed he was ushering in a utopia and saving his race from extinction. As it turned out, both men were partially right. Cyclops might be in jail at the conclusion of AvX but he's not a villain - more of a tragic hero. Although his actions caused much pain, at least he owned up to what he did rather than pin it all on the Phoenix's influence and he didn't become contrite under Cap's scorn. On a certain level, I think he's proud of what he did, no matter what the cost, because the mutant race has a future again. As for Cap, I don't think he feels his hands are entirely clean and forming the Uncanny Avengers is clearly a way for him to atone for whatever mistakes he's made and to bear some responsbility for human and mutant relations moving forward.

That seems like a positive conclusion to me.

I agree completely with the first half of your post, but I don't think Captain America feels to blame for anything. I believe he is taking the responsibility of playing daddy to the X-Men by letting some of them have the good fortune of joining the Avengers. That has been his theme throughout this series... Avengers need to step in and control everything. Once he realizes how neglectful he's been with the mutant world, he just as quickly decides to kick Cyclops ass no matter what so Cap can jump in and control the mutant world like he does the rest of the world.

As far as Cyclops goes, of course he's pleased with himself to a large extent. For years now, Cyclops has had to be the guy to take a really bad situation and turn it into something positive for him and his race. He's been taking horrible mutant tragedies and turning them into hopes for a positive future for mutants for years. That's been his theme. He knows he was right and that if he was allowed to let Hope acquire the Phoenix Force from the onset, none of the fighting would have had to happen.

Of course, this is all just my opinion and I'm clearly a Cyclops guy and not an Avengers/Cap fan in the least.

[ChristianP]

I will be picking up Uncanny Avengers next week, but honestly I wish they did most of the team assembling in this issue. They did some of that at the end, but I really just want to pick up a #1 and get straight to the plot

[nosocialize100]

Not as good as it could have been, but the event served its purpose. It's always been the fall-out/follow-up stories that interest me the most anyways.

This is true. This issue was meh, but the fallout will still be interesting. I thought that was sort of the problem with the issue though. It was more focused on hitting the points than being a compelling story. I said as much in my review here.

[Baltho08]

This is true. This issue was meh, but the fallout will still be interesting. I thought that was sort of the problem with the issue though. It was more focused on hitting the points than being a compelling story. I said as much in my review here.

Not to be an antagonistic, but what purpose was that? To sell more comics? EVERY "event" does that. Just sayin.
Peace.

[Baltho08]

The point of AvX was that neither side was completely right or wrong. Marvel succeeded in telling a story in which both sides had their own blindspots and failings and yet believed in the justness of their actions. Cap might have come off as self-righteous but he was acting in the interest of saving the world and Cyclops may have turned into a zealot but he believed he was ushering in a utopia and saving his race from extinction. As it turned out, both men were partially right.

That seems like a positive conclusion to me.

I'm pretty sure I remember people saying the same exact thing @ the end of Civil War. We'll see, I guess.
Peace.