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    Quote Originally Posted by FalconX2000 View Post
    Ah, great. Do you play Ravnica?
    Simic, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    Arglebargle.

    Yeah, having watched the whole series back in the day (when it first came out), getting utterly messed up by the last episode, then watching End of Evangelion....really, there wasn't much to explain what exactly was going on.

    Though "End" did a better job of explaining SOME of it, despite being really crappy.
    The Rebuild movies, while still being kind of vague, at least give you a better idea of why things are happening, and what certain party's goals are. Granted, I still had to scope the wiki some. I haven't actually watched all of the old show, but did see EoE, read a good chunk of the manga, etc. Rebuild is so far the best rendition of the story, though it does end up ignoring some of the supporting cast in favor of focusing more on the core group.


    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    It's not all that complicated as long as you don't worry about the details.

    Adam shows up at some point, starts the ecosystem.

    Lilith shows up later, starts humanity, which is a species of individuals who together form the Lilim which is considered the Eighteenth Angel.

    At some point, humanity (SEELE) finds Lilith's body.

    Cut to Second Impact, Adam wakes up/returns, something happens and he explodes. SEELE was probably involved. Tabris, the Seventeenth Angel's body, is created/born.

    Based on/From Adam's remains, humanity creates the EVAs, using Lilith's blood as their nervous system to allow humans to synchronize and control them. After Yui is absorbed into 01 in it's start-up, Gendo creates a clone of her with Lilith's DNA, creating the first Rei.

    A while later, the other Angels begin to wake up (or their bodies are formed), each one representing a possible conclusion of the life forms created by Adam. They try to find Adam to merge with him and start Third Impact, which would eliminate humanity and set the world on the course of their particular branch of evolution.

    (I say "body" a lot, because Evangelion treats body and soul as linked but separate things.)
    Makes you wonder if there are any magical keys lying around, waiting to claimed by a worthy bearer.
    It's a lie! My pants were off the entire time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkerbob View Post
    The Rebuild movies, while still being kind of vague, at least give you a better idea of why things are happening, and what certain party's goals are. Granted, I still had to scope the wiki some. I haven't actually watched all of the old show, but did see EoE, read a good chunk of the manga, etc. Rebuild is so far the best rendition of the story, though it does end up ignoring some of the supporting cast in favor of focusing more on the core group.
    Hahahahaha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FalconX2000 View Post
    Ah, great. Do you play Ravnica?


    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Simic, yes.

    ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beadle View Post
    Oh, and Noir Detectives.
    Internal monologues don't count.

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    Zeruel is going to steamroll basically any of the others in a straight fight. Otherwise, yeah, it's more arguable.
    Ramiel is awesome, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    I understood everything up to this before. The whole business of Adam and Lilith baffled me.
    From what I gather, Adam is a "Seed of Life" and Lilith is a "Seed of Knowledge." They were apparently created by some kind of god-aliens to spread life panspermia style.

    Planets that get a Seed of Knowledge develop what we consider normal ecosystems culminating in human-like civilizations. Planets that get a Seed of Life develop Angel-type ecosystems that are really bizarre by our standards.

    Earth happened to get one of each. Since that's not supposed to happen, one of them (Adam) was sealed away, after which Lilith went ahead and created life which culminated in humanity. Then SEELE came around and messed everything up by accidentally waking Adam up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The MunchKING View Post



    ?????
    Return to Ravnica? The latest expansion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Ramiel is awesome, though.
    Who dares oppose the Angel of the Eight-Sided Dice?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    From what I gather, Adam is a "Seed of Life" and Lilith is a "Seed of Knowledge." They were apparently created by some kind of god-aliens to spread life panspermia style.

    Planets that get a Seed of Knowledge develop what we consider normal ecosystems culminating in human-like civilizations. Planets that get a Seed of Life develop Angel-type ecosystems that are really bizarre by our standards.

    Earth happened to get one of each. Since that's not supposed to happen, one of them (Adam) was sealed away, after which Lilith went ahead and created life which culminated in humanity. Then SEELE came around and messed everything up by accidentally waking Adam up.
    That's the explanation given by an old poorly translated supplementary material which may or may not be canon, yeah. Honestly I prefer to ignore it because it's silly even by Evangelion-standards.
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    Hmm. So if the Angels are each a possible conclusion, does that mean there could have been a race of Zeruels (or god forbid, Kaworus)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Simic, yes.
    We know awesome when we see it then.

    Had a great time today dueling against my cousin's Dimir deck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Return to Ravnica? The latest expansion?
    Apparently it's not out on Cockatrice yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Who dares oppose the Angel of the Eight-Sided Dice?

    That's the explanation given by an old poorly translated supplementary material which may or may not be canon, yeah. Honestly I prefer to ignore it because it's silly even by Evangelion-standards.
    I get silly, but how can the supplementary material not be canon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    I get silly, but how can the supplementary material not be canon?
    Through the amazing power of Evangelion!

    More seriously, I think it wasn't written by the actual writer or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkerbob View Post
    Makes you wonder if there are any magical keys lying around, waiting to claimed by a worthy bearer.
    Well, now I want to make an Evangelion vs Vividred Operation rumble. Though, I think I'll wait for VO to finish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Through the amazing power of Evangelion!

    More seriously, I think it wasn't written by the actual writer or something.
    So, do we have any solid idea where Adam and Lilith came from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    So, do we have any solid idea where Adam and Lilith came from?
    Space. That's our best guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    It's not all that complicated as long as you don't worry about the details.

    Adam shows up at some point, starts the ecosystem.

    Lilith shows up later, starts humanity, which is a species of individuals who together form the Lilim which is considered the Eighteenth Angel.

    At some point, humanity (SEELE) finds Lilith's body.

    Cut to Second Impact, Adam wakes up/returns, something happens and he explodes. SEELE was probably involved. Tabris, the Seventeenth Angel's body, is created/born.

    Based on/From Adam's remains, humanity creates the EVAs, using Lilith's blood as their nervous system to allow humans to synchronize and control them. After Yui is absorbed into 01 in it's start-up, Gendo creates a clone of her with Lilith's DNA, creating the first Rei.

    A while later, the other Angels begin to wake up (or their bodies are formed), each one representing a possible conclusion of the life forms created by Adam. They try to find Adam to merge with him and start Third Impact, which would eliminate humanity and set the world on the course of their particular branch of evolution.

    (I say "body" a lot, because Evangelion treats body and soul as linked but separate things.)
    This is comprehensible. My thanks, sir. :)

    I'll now go back to reading Children of an Elder God, which feels like a far better (if more disturbing) version of Evangelion.

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