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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    On the other hand, Sauron didn't cry about how unfair it was when he lost.:P
    As an evil mastermind/dark lord, Sauron always impressed me more. Better planning, better use of what he had...

    ...more maturity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    This pretty much covers it, though Uruks of Mordor were pretty good in the sun as well. It's the 'goblin' sorts that were really crappy in sunlight.

    Look at the discussions in Lord of the Rings between the two orc leaders in The Two Towers - one of Sauron's bunch, the other Saruman's. Those of Sauron's bunch were the more 'goblinoid' sort - smaller, weaker, less capable in the sun, that kind of thing. It's really not until the end of the books that we really start seeing a lot of Uruks coming out of Mordor.

    One must recall that Sauron was always refining. Orcs into the Uruks, Trolls into his black trolls (not as big, but smarter, armed, and armored), etc. Morgoth created all these things, a feat beyond Sauron's capabilities, but Sauron took Morgoth's stuff and spent thousands of years working on it.

    One can point at this indicating Sauron was 'better' than Morgoth, but he never made them himself, didn't create anything near on the level of Dragons, and had literally thousands of years to work on these things whereas Morgoth had a bare few centuries.
    The Trolls from the Hobbit also seemed more intelligent than the Moria ones... They were idiots, but they at least were in the ballpark of human idiots.

    Then again, it's not like the ones in Moria had any reason to speak under the circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegalith View Post
    No, and despite liking that show when I was younger I have no idea why it would be.
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    Notice the monster's distinguishing feature. Apart from being Kaju sized, I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegalith View Post
    The Trolls from the Hobbit also seemed more intelligent than the Moria ones... They were idiots, but they at least were in the ballpark of human idiots.

    Then again, it's not like the ones in Moria had any reason to speak under the circumstances.
    Exactly. Those trolls were pretty much the same kind. :)

    Remember, Tolkien wrote the Hobbit before he wrote Lord of the Rings, and it was a story for his kid. He had no tie-in to a grand, sweeping epic at the time. The Ring was just a magic Ring. If there are differences, some of them could come from that.

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    Which would you rather have, the Static Animator from Johnny Test or the Rat Talisman from Jackie Chan Adventures?

    The Static Animator

    The Rat Talisman
    "That which does not grow falls into decay."

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    The Static Animator has feats for bringing toys to life.

    The Rat Talisman has feats of bringing GODS to life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The MunchKING View Post
    The Static Animator has feats for bringing toys to life.

    The Rat Talisman has feats of bringing GODS to life.
    As a counterpoint, I'd like to note that- unless I'm forgetting something- the Rat Talisman can only bring one thing to life at a time, and that thing needs to keep the talisman in its possession to stay alive.

    So while the Talisman has better feats for what it can bring to life, the Animator has better feats for how much it can bring to life.

    Again, I may be forgetting something.
    "That which does not grow falls into decay."

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarBeyondC View Post
    As a counterpoint, I'd like to note that- unless I'm forgetting something- the Rat Talisman can only bring one thing to life at a time, and that thing needs to keep the talisman in its possession to stay alive.
    Both false, I'm afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegalith View Post
    Both false, I'm afraid.
    No, that's pretty much right. The Noble Rat or T-Girl could do more than one thing at a time, but the Talisman itself only did single things.

    And taking away the Talisman is how they beat all the out-of-control items animated by the Talisman.

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    Okay. I got an idea. What if we took Hakutou Hari, and imbued it with the powers of Samurai Jack's katana?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The MunchKING View Post
    No, that's pretty much right. The Noble Rat or T-Girl could do more than one thing at a time, but the Talisman itself only did single things.
    ...It's the same power. Both of those characters have absorbed the power of the Talisman.

    Plus: Gnome Cop and Turbo Troll.

    And taking away the Talisman is how they beat all the out-of-control items animated by the Talisman.
    Not all of them. Sometimes they had to re-apply the power to undo it.
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    I know some of the Islands in Spira aren't particularly huge, but did they have to build Kilika right on the waterline like that?

    At least make Yevon work for his monthly genocide quota.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegalith View Post
    ...It's the same power. Both of those characters have absorbed the power of the Talisman.
    Well, yes... But the Talisman itself didn't have any feats of targeting at a distance or activating more than once did it?

    Plus: Gnome Cop and Turbo Troll.
    They had one where both were active at teh same time?


    Because in "tough Break" Gnomekop was active but he never found TurboTroll, and as soon as they took the Talisman out of Gnomekop, he returned to being lifeless.


    Not all of them. Sometimes they had to re-apply the power to undo it.
    Only time that happened I remember was with the Noble Rat. Which episode was this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegalith View Post
    I know some of the Islands in Spira aren't particularly huge, but did they have to build Kilika right on the waterline like that?

    At least make Yevon work for his monthly genocide quota.
    I thought it's point was as a Port City?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The MunchKING View Post
    Well, yes... But the Talisman itself didn't have any feats of targeting at a distance or activating more than once did it?
    I really don't see why that's relevant, honestly, even if it is true. It's a power that transfers between different hosts: The only real difference is competence in using it.

    They had one where both were active at teh same time?

    Because in "tough Break" Gnomekop was active but he never found TurboTroll, and as soon as they took the Talisman out of Gnomekop, he returned to being lifeless.
    I'm pretty sure I remember them both running around...
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