J.J. Abrams' Revolution

[kalorama]

If people cant figure out how to make bullets how the hell are they going to keep maintenance on a chopper that no one has anyway of knowing what works and what doesnt?

Not the same thing. Finding people with aviation maintenance experience would be easier than finding people who know how to make bullets from scratch because, at the time of the blackout, aviation (civilian and military) was still an active, highly visible occupation. Plus, Monroe and Miles were both in the military themselves, so odds are that they knew where to locate someone who knew how to maintain a chopper. Hell, for all we know, Monroe had the knowledge himself and trained his underlings.

[kalorama]

I´m more concerned with the electronics.
Whether they´re used or not, time eats away at electronic components like candy.

Yeah, but they eat away at them faster if they're used. Keeping everything clean and dry and sheltered will buy time for the electronics same as the mechanics. Plus, I would imagine that the components in a military attack vehicle would be built to sturdier specifications than your average consumer electronics.

[Simbob4000]

Which is weird on itself.
i mean, guys hiding in caves in Afghanistan can manufacture ak-47 and its ammo out of metal scraps and no one in the US of A can figure out how to manufacture bullets?

Maybe Revolution takes place in a universe where books aren't things?

[kalorama]

Maybe Revolution takes place in a universe where books aren't things?

The problem's not so much how to do it, it's finding the equipment to do it. You can't just make generic bullets and shove them in any gun. Each type/caliber of gun requires ammo of a different size and shape, which requires molds machined to produce each caliber/size of bullet.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

The problem's not so much how to do it, it's finding the equipment to do it. You can't just make generic bullets and shove them in any gun. Each type/caliber of gun requires ammo of a different size and shape, which requires molds machined to produce each caliber/size of bullet.

You mean there is not a single bullet left for them to take measures from?
Or a single book where those measures are specified?
Or a single ruller left to measure bullets with?
Sorry, I´m just being facetious. ^_^

I´m just giggling at the notion that any tom, dick or harry who own a hammer in Afghanistan can build an AK-47 out of metal scraps but no one in the US of A can manufacture a bullet.

[Sighphi]

Not the same thing. Finding people with aviation maintenance experience would be easier than finding people who know how to make bullets from scratch because, at the time of the blackout, aviation (civilian and military) was still an active, highly visible occupation.

The art of making bullets in the US isnt some rare art.

Plus, Monroe and Miles were both in the military themselves, so odds are that they knew where to locate someone who knew how to maintain a chopper. Hell, for all we know, Monroe had the knowledge himself and trained his underlings.

And they both left to look for Miles' family a few months after the event. I dont know how long that took but there is no way of surely saying that because they were military they knew what was going on at any point after they left. But, yes, you could say that Monroe might be a mechanic but they were in Parris Island which i dont think has stuff for that.

The problem's not so much how to do it, it's finding the equipment to do it. You can't just make generic bullets and shove them in any gun. Each type/caliber of gun requires ammo of a different size and shape, which requires molds machined to produce each caliber/size of bullet.

This explains why the military uses standard bullets for a lot of their stuff.
You can get this stuff with no problem now, i mean look at this website it has all sorts of different press kits. I could understand that average city folk being lost but Monroe's Militia having trouble with bullets should not be happening. Unless Monroe himself made it so bullets are rare just like they burned ships and stuff..... which i dont get because if you have control of transportation you have a lot of power.

[Simbob4000]

Have they ever addressed what happened to all the guns and bullets in America, or any of the other head-scratcher? I haven't been watching the show.

[Toreador]

This is pretty much why I stopped watching the show, lot of inconsistencies in the show.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Have they ever addressed what happened to all the guns and bullets in America, or any of the other head-scratcher? I haven't been watching the show.

We´ve seen Monroe´s militia stashing them and we know his elite people still use M16s (to Charlie´s great surprise since she had never seen such weapons), but common footsoldiers use XVII century muskets.

Muskets means they know how to make powder (oooh!) and they can melt lead into tiny balls, which means that they have the ability to make fire (double oooh! ^_^), so not everything´s hopeless just yet.

[kalorama]

So I wonder if all the people who were popping an artery after the second episode about how the show was crap because the inability to restore power after the initial outage didn't make sense and scoffed at the revolutionary (so to speak) notion of letting the story actually play out have actually gained any insight.

[kalorama]

The art of making bullets in the US isnt some rare art.

It's also not commonplace enough that in a world with no internet or telephone that you could easily find people schooled in the craft with the proper equipment to produce them in volume.

And they both left to look for Miles' family a few months after the event. I dont know how long that took but there is no way of surely saying that because they were military they knew what was going on at any point after they left. But, yes, you could say that Monroe might be a mechanic but they were in Parris Island which i dont think has stuff for that.

Both Miles and Monroe had been in the military for years prior to the blackout and had seen combat. Their entire careers were not confined to Parris Island.

This explains why the military uses standard bullets for a lot of their stuff.

There's no such thing as a "standard bullet." Every caliber of gun uses bullets designed specifically to be fired by guns of that caliber.

You can get this stuff with no problem now, i mean look at this website it has all sorts of different press kits. I could understand that average city folk being lost but Monroe's Militia having trouble with bullets should not be happening. Unless Monroe himself made it so bullets are rare just like they burned ships and stuff..... which i dont get because if you have control of transportation you have a lot of power.

Sure you can get it with no problem . . . as long as you have an internet connection and a credit card, both of which are in short supply post blackout.

[maczero]

I can't believe we're still talking about this show. It's still nothing special for me but I will admit it has improved.

A few nagging questions have been answered:

1) Why are so many people using 100+ year old weapons? - It seems Monroe is purposely keeping the modern stuff for himself and his closest troops.

2) Why aren't people using steam power? - We see that the Georgia republic does in fact have steam power vehicles. I'm guessing Monroe's tendency to horde things for himself is probably why we haven't seen similar technology in the Monroe republic. I also think this is why things like bullets aren't so plentiful in the Monroe republic. It's possible that more people with skills have been drawn to the Georgia republic because of the easier life.

3) The reason for the blackout. - Nanites.

[Toreador]

I can't believe we're still talking about this show. It's still nothing special for me but I will admit it has improved.

A few nagging questions have been answered:

1) Why are so many people using 100+ year old weapons? - It seems Monroe is purposely keeping the modern stuff for himself and his closest troops.

2) Why aren't people using steam power? - We see that the Georgia republic does in fact have steam power vehicles. I'm guessing Monroe's tendency to horde things for himself is probably why we haven't seen similar technology in the Monroe republic. I also think this is why things like bullets aren't so plentiful in the Monroe republic. It's possible that more people with skills have been drawn to the Georgia republic because of the easier life.

3) The reason for the blackout. - Nanites.

I stopped watching the show very early and glance at the thread every now and then but didn't one of the early episodes the father say that the people behind it were changing the laws of physics to keep electricity from working? And now it's supposed to be nanites that are the cause?

[maczero]

I'm under the impression that Brynn's father didn't know the whole story. The mother, however, was one of the key players behind the project.

[Toreador]

He knew enough to be there when it was starting to go down and hurried home to download a copy of the program for the amulet. Did she have an amulet? Seems more like the writers are making up the back story as they go along and probably read a few chat logs/bbs about the complaints about the show and decided to come up with a more reasonable explanation then 'magic wave'.

So now the magic wand is 'nanites'. I guess it makes it a little more believable but not much. It just raises a different set of questions:

How did they create all the nanites needed to cover the world and shut down the electricity?
If they made the nanites self-replicating how did the builders know when to have them stop reproducing (how much is enough)?
How did they distribute the nanites all over the world? Release it like an airborne pandemic virus and let it spread around the world? But then how would they know when and if the world was completely covered?


But I guess now they have their 'magic wand' they can use it to plug all their plot holes.

"How did the electricity get turned off?"
"Nanites."

"How are people and animals still alive?"
"Nanites."

"How come people can't make bullets?"
"Nanites."

"How come it took 14 years for them to re-discover steam power?"
"Nanites."

"Why did Miles stick his hand in the furnace to pull out the bomb instead of simply uncoupling the engine from the rest of the train?"
"Nanites."

"But.."
"NANITES!"