Ultimately Off-Topic VII: The Miles Frontier

[Drz]

that Batman is not the top of the Gotham food chain as he has believed for so long

Why would Batman think about this in the 1st place?

Batman is so omnipotent and omnipresent that his influence transcends Gotham (see the first issue of Batman and Son)

I just decided to skim the 1st issue and i don't get your point. We have Joker getting shot by the the fake Batman, we have Talia al Ghul re-introduced with Damian's 1st appearence alongside the Ninja Man-Bat army, we got a dilemma of Batman being too consumed by his Batman persona, what is your point exactly? The fake Batman, well yeah there are obviously alot of people inspired by Batman both good and bad, whetever by direct cause or outer the characters range from Catwoman, Joker, Bane, Scott Snyder's Harper Row and so on. If Gotham would be the same dirty hellhole it was before Batman, then it just means Batman is a total failure, Gotham can be a dangerous place still, but you need to have Batman show something value or else whats the point?

transcends borders (see Batman Incorporated)

Doesn't this apply to Justice League, Justice Society of America, Justice League of America, Justice League International and the Outsiders? Batman Incorporated is Grant Morrison's update on the Club of Heroes and basically just Batman creating his own elite army of vigilantes, after finally realizing & learning how much asistance he had as being Batman, he will assist into making vigilantes into Batmen.

transcends space and time itself (see The Return of Bruce Wayne or Batman #700)

Sci-fi has always been an element in comic books and you will find Batman in space alongside other stories from Justice League comics to Superman|Batman comics to the Brave & the Bold and so forward. Batman is so rich and cultural character that you can mold him and re-create him for any story purpose and it can work out. I mean, Scott Snyder's Swamp Thing shows a post-apocalyptic Gotham where Batgirl can turn into a Woman-Bat and Batman has become a super-zombie monster creature. It can work out easily, it's Batman!

Meanwhile, Snyder's Batman is barely holding it together, his attempts to counter each threat becoming increasingly desperate.

I mean, i get what you mean we got this Batman who isn't the top dog, but if thats something you want i would far highly recommend Geoff John's Batman: Earth One for you, buddy! Snyder's tale shows a Batman who has had experience for over 5 years, yet he can't show any trust suddenly to his family friends? The man with so much confidence, suddenly just happens to start freaking out and we call this good writing? It's inconsistant to slow down the protagonist while amping up the bad guys, just to have them fail because the story needs to end.

[RockyBanks]

Drz, before I delve even further into this debate: is your intention to convince me that Snyder's Batman is overrated, or that my perspective on Morrison's Batman work is flawed?

BTW Plawsky, I ordered the first TPB of The Manhattan Projects this morning. Enjoyed the first two issues, can't wait to read the rest of it.

[Plawsky]

Does anyone here watch 30 Rock? Last night's series finale was all sorts of amazing. It's been a great 7 years.

BTW Plawsky, I ordered the first TPB of The Manhattan Projects this morning. Enjoyed the first two issues, can't wait to read the rest of it.

WAHOOO!! Let me know what kind of extras the trade has when you get it.

[Wolverine12]

Does anyone here watch 30 Rock? Last night's series finale was all sorts of amazing. It's been a great 7 years.



WAHOOO!! Let me know what kind of extras the trade has when you get it.

I already have the first trade, I could've told you this information months ago

[Balfro]

Does anyone here watch 30 Rock? Last night's series finale was all sorts of amazing. It's been a great 7 years.



WAHOOO!! Let me know what kind of extras the trade has when you get it.

I watch it casually, and have seen many episodes, but I don't follow it too closely. I plan on sitting down and plowing through them all at some point. It's a great show! I especially love the blond assistant :P

[Plawsky]

I already have the first trade, I could've told you this information months ago

WELL TELL ME NOW!!!!!

I watch it casually, and have seen many episodes, but I don't follow it too closely. I plan on sitting down and plowing through them all at some point. It's a great show! I especially love the blond assistant :P

It's well worth the watch; few shows have been as consistently funny for me. Seinfeld is possibly the only other 7+ season comedy that I've watched that stayed funny for its whole run., unlike How I Met Your Mother, which has become abysmal and needs to end soon, or the Office, which had some really weak times but is finishing pretty strong. Futurama is up there for me too - the new episodes are still great.

And yes - Cerie, played by Katrina Bowden, is great. You should check out January's Maxim if you're a fan.

[Wolverine12]

WELL TELL ME NOW!!!!!

I can't I'm at work, maybe when I get home

It's well worth the watch; few shows have been as consistently funny for me. Seinfeld is possibly the only other 7+ season comedy that I've watched that stayed funny for its whole run., unlike How I Met Your Mother, which has become abysmal and needs to end soon, or the Office, which had some really weak times but is finishing pretty strong. Futurama is up there for me too - the new episodes are still great.

And yes - Cerie, played by Katrina Bowden, is great. You should check out January's Maxim if you're a fan.

I know there are a lot of haters, but The Big Bang theory has been hilarious for 6 straight seasons now. I agree with you about The Office although spoilers:

the whole having Pam and the camera crew guy, getting all close is stupid. She has kids with Jim and it's not funny to even alude that she may cheat on Jim with this guy. Even though she did do the same thing to Ron with Jim. Pam is such a whore and I can't stand her

end of spoilers

[Balfro]

You should check out January's Maxim if you're a fan.

Already purchased and read on the plane back from Hawaii

[Drz]

Drz, before I delve even further into this debate: is your intention to convince me that Snyder's Batman is overrated, or that my perspective on Morrison's Batman work is flawed?

It's both, because again let's talk about your issues about Morrison's Batman or any writer's Batman molding Gotham, why don't you say this about Scott Snyder? The Court of Owls decide to act and unleash hell upon Gotham due to Batman's actions and the Joker has returned once again as a complete new persona because of how Batman has changed everything. Why isn't this a gripe for you? I mean, why is this a problem for other writers?

2nd, i really have to ask what you truly mean by Batman being so overconfident, he would become such an ego man who truly would think "yeah i'm on top of the food chain, bitches." Isn't Batman suppose to be noble and honorable? Why reduce Batman into caring about some foodchains, shouldn't he care more about that he is helping the world every night and day? Tho this is more of me picking up a fight, so yeah but i will say this: Sci-fi is and always will be part of comics, you will see Batman breathing in space and whatnot, as you are now seeing Iron Man becoming more part of Space Adventures, due to his new-found popularity since 2004.

New Beware the Batman screenshot:

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[sage6paths]

So appartantly this is a thing now. Marvel Announces 16-Pound WOLVERINE: ADAMANTIUM COLLECTION
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marv...ollection.html

[Wolverine12]

So appartantly this is a thing now. Marvel Announces 16-Pound WOLVERINE: ADAMANTIUM COLLECTION
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marv...ollection.html

I was just looking at that! $200 is pretty steep but I want one.

[Drz]

Why? It's a horrible product (compared what you can get, more on that just abit further ahead) that will not fit your book shelf unless you've made one simply for that singular book. You're better off with the Mark Millar Omnibus, Frank Miller OHC, Origins OHC. I mean, i could understand the bragging rights if it wasn't that ridiciously oversized, overpriced and yeah, just unappealing. Otherwise, it has a nice idea to it.

[Wolverine12]

Why? It's a horrible product (compared what you can get, more on that just abit further ahead) that will not fit your book shelf unless you've made one simply for that singular book. You're better off with the Mark Millar Omnibus, Frank Miller OHC, Origins OHC. I mean, i could understand the bragging rights if it wasn't that ridiciously oversized, overpriced and yeah, just unappealing. Otherwise, it has a nice idea to it.

I'm not going to buy it, mostly for reasons you listed. I still want one though. Also I'm kind of bummed that Origins made the cut, that series wasn't great. It wasn't out right bad, but it wasn't great.

[Plawsky]

Why? It's a horrible product (compared what you can get, more on that just abit further ahead) that will not fit your book shelf unless you've made one simply for that singular book. You're better off with the Mark Millar Omnibus, Frank Miller OHC, Origins OHC. I mean, i could understand the bragging rights if it wasn't that ridiciously oversized, overpriced and yeah, just unappealing. Otherwise, it has a nice idea to it.

By that logic, you're better off just getting the Millar TPBs instead of the omnibus, because those are cheapter too. And you should never buy DC Absolute editions, because they're WAY more than buying trades. I could get DKR and DKSA for just over $20, whereas the absolute is $75.

No one buys these books because they're economical. That Wolverine book is why God invented coffee tables. Also, Wolverine12, it's only $140 at Amazon!

[Drz]

By that logic, you're better off just getting the Millar TPBs instead of the omnibus, because those are cheapter too. And you should never buy DC Absolute editions, because they're WAY more than buying trades. I could get DKR and DKSA for just over $20, whereas the absolute is $75.

Not only is there a big price difference between Omnibuses and Absolutes compared to this, the sizes are different too and offer easily a better reading experience + pimpin out your bookshelf. Wolverine the Adamantium Collection is something you're forced to put on the very bottom and hope your shelf slot is high enough for it. Tsk Plawsky, get a better book shelf!