After reading the sandman. I became more interested in it. The book has biblical allegories and it makes interesting. I like how Neil Gaiman used Lucifer,Hell, and all those other things in his stories. I'm not a religious person but the book made me respect the bible some more.My favorite panels were probably the ones where the angels were spiraling downwards while they were near the silver city.
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08-06-2012, 12:12 AM #1I caught you red-handed
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Did anybody became interested in the bible after reading the sandman?
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08-07-2012, 08:54 PM #2Peachy Keen
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08-07-2012, 09:00 PM #3Pearl of the Omniverse
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A little bit, but I had to drop it. The writing style and characterization are all over the place, and for all it's bravado, it's just another grim, dark story in the end.
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08-08-2012, 02:59 AM #4Marquis de
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There's absolutely nothing in those panels that remotely biblical. There is no silver city in the bible either.
Originally Posted by Wild_Child
After reading the sandman. I became more interested in it. The book has biblical allegories and it makes interesting. I like how Neil Gaiman used Lucifer,Hell, and all those other things in his stories. I'm not a religious person but the book made me respect the bible some more.My favorite panels were probably the ones where the angels were spiraling downwards while they were near the silver city.
Thoughts?'The marquis. Well, you know, to be honest, he seems a little bit dodgy to me.'
'Mm,' she agreed. 'He's a little bit dodgy in the same way that rats are a little bit covered in fur."
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08-08-2012, 07:53 AM #5Elder Member
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That is, if you take Revelation seriously. The focal point of the Bible is the Gospel, and it is not grim or dark. Originally Posted by coveredinbees
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08-08-2012, 09:55 PM #6Member
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I think he was talking about Sandman, not the Bible. Unless he was talking about the Bible. Where you? Originally Posted by jesse_custer
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08-08-2012, 10:08 PM #7Pearl of the Omniverse
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The Gospel's just retcon after retcon.
Sandman got me interested in fairies, so I started reading the Books of Magic.
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08-10-2012, 09:44 PM #8Peachy Keen
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08-11-2012, 12:14 AM #9Senior Member
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Except when it is. With all the murder and what not. And I didn't like what they did to jesus at all. Originally Posted by jesse_custer
Yep. Coveredinbees wins the thread. Originally Posted by DetectiveDupin
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08-13-2012, 07:24 AM #10Elder Member
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Who does? Seems like you're not seeing the forest. Originally Posted by tylenoljones
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08-13-2012, 04:48 PM #11Say WHAT?!?!?!?
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Gaiman's Lucifer really comes from Michael Moorcock's Von Bek stories from the early 1980s, especially "The War Hound and the World's Pain". Moorcock's Lucifer doesn't actively tempt anyone-- you want to serve because he's so seductive. It's Milton taken in a different direction-- the revolutionary in exile who wants to reconcile with his father and move on. Originally Posted by Wild_Child
After reading the sandman. I became more interested in it. The book has biblical allegories and it makes interesting. I like how Neil Gaiman used Lucifer,Hell, and all those other things in his stories. I'm not a religious person but the book made me respect the bible some more.My favorite panels were probably the ones where the angels were spiraling downwards while they were near the silver city.
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Actually, those Von Bek stories are a massive influence on Sandman in general. Von Bek and his companion travel through a Dreaming-like world of places that have slipped from the real world called the Middlemarch, there's "soft places" where those places intersect with reality, there's a major reality storm called the Convergence in "The City of the Autumn Stars", etc. Gaiman makes no bones about his love for Moorcock, though-- he admits that Elric was a major influence on Morpheus, for example.
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08-13-2012, 05:11 PM #12Senior Member
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If the gospel isn't dark or grim, then why all the murder? Other than Jesus, there's John the Baptist, James the apostle, Judas Iscariot (suicide, anyway).I guess since we're limited to the gospels here I can't speak of the other apostles. And that's just death, not simple violence. What about all that torment and torture of the wicked in Gehenna, (which, according to Christian tradition, doesn't mean strictly wicked people, but non-believers as well.) Originally Posted by jesse_custer
How does a human sacrifice suddenly absolve everyone else of sin? What kind of message is that? God has to sacrifice his son? He's god, can do anything, create entire universes; but a brutal death was the only way to save everyone?
Maybe it's not grim or dark for believers in Jesus, but for Buddhists, Atheists and Jews it paints a pretty grim picture indeed.
That being said, my comment was simply a joke. Talk about not seeing the forest.Last edited by tylenoljones; 08-14-2012 at 01:24 AM.
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08-13-2012, 08:16 PM #13Member
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The Devil being kicked out of Heaven and becoming the ruler of Hell isn't even in the bible. Originally Posted by Wild_Child
After reading the sandman. I became more interested in it. The book has biblical allegories and it makes interesting. I like how Neil Gaiman used Lucifer,Hell, and all those other things in his stories. I'm not a religious person but the book made me respect the bible some more.My favorite panels were probably the ones where the angels were spiraling downwards while they were near the silver city.
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08-14-2012, 01:19 AM #14Marquis de
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Nor is the Silver City for that matter. Originally Posted by Superdog
And strictly speaking, the concept of hell as a fiery dimension where devils torture sinners forever, isn't either as far as I know.Last edited by carabas; 08-14-2012 at 01:23 AM.
'The marquis. Well, you know, to be honest, he seems a little bit dodgy to me.'
'Mm,' she agreed. 'He's a little bit dodgy in the same way that rats are a little bit covered in fur."
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08-14-2012, 01:33 AM #15Senior Member
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It's been awhile since i've been near a bible, but you'd be right concerning the old testament. For the first few books of the bible there really isn't any talk of an afterlife at all. A concept of an afterlife developed after the Jews lived around other tribes that already had beliefs concerning these concepts. Originally Posted by carabas
Even then, Hell was referred to simply as an eternal death, or an absence from God's presence. No hellfire.
But in the New Testament (you know, the one that's considered friendlier), you have to look no further than the book of Matthew for descriptions of the wicked suffering eternal torment. As in my post above, though, the place mentioned there is called Gehenna, not Hell.
And it isn't always mentioned as a fiery place, but, if memory serves, it is referred to as a "Gehenna of Fire" at least once.
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