Hal is above the trinity
He should be the face of DC
Hal is above the trinity
He should be the face of DC
And that is still quite offensive to all the other characters, since there are instances were Superman, WW or Batman are outclassedi n certain stories, where as the others save the day.
So even if GL saves the day in Blackest Night or Flash in Flashpoint, why do we have to consider Supes, WW and Bats on a higher level constantly?
So in other words no matter how well is the execution in any other book in DC or the sales for that matter, no character is allowed to reach the status of those three.
No other hero can be shown "Out inspiring Supes", no other mere mortal can never "out achieve" Bats or no other female hero can ever "out Wonder Woman" WW?
If it's all set in stone and so borringly predictable, what's the point of even having other heroes? Do they exist to just fall under the category "hey GL is awsome and his books the last 10 years are way better than Supes or WW's but hey the Trinity rules (FALSE), so GL is still B-List"?
Why can't the concept of the Trinity change BASED ON WHAT THE CHARACTERS ACTUALLY DO and not based what they ONCE DID?
Being the moral compass of humanity is part of who Superman is so you can't take that away, but you can allow others to act as it in stories and it happens all the time. Batman's intellect is essentially his super power so that's a given but he's also the most recongisable hero around - he'll always be there like it or not but that doesn't mean other people can't be the brains in the story. Rinse/repeat for WW.
I understand that.
It doesn't mean it's right, clever or not offensive to all the other DC characters.
It doesn't mean that these characters are perfect in everything compared to all the other characters.
Heck it doesn't even mean these characters are actually better than many other characters.
It just means that DC doesn't actually care or intends to care about their other characters as much as their favorite pets, and fans of all the other characters be damned.
What amazes me is that most DC fans are actually offended if you suggest that the whole Trinity concept is one of the most historically offensive concepts to their fans.
And although I'm a DC fan through and through DC sucks in this aspect compared to Marvel. At least they don't constantly force the same tired old horses to their fans. Major example characters like Luke Cage (I know he is Bendis's pet, but stil), Herc or the whole "Dark Reign" thing.
To sum up I can get behind the concept of a Trinity which changes depending on the stories.
So if a story is in space for example, the Trinity for that time period would be more logical to be Supes, GL and MM for example.
Last edited by comicfan11; 08-06-2012 at 12:08 PM.
You are taking this Trinity concept far too literally, if there were a story in space then of course GL would be one of the heavily involved characters.
It all boils down to the practical application of the "Trinity" concept.
The whole point is that by being part of the "Trinity" said characters will always get top billing, more screen time and more events when compared to other characters.
That means that when an event is called "Trinity War" we will still be treated to far more pages showing us how amazing these OVERDONE characters are and have more screen time and story about them when compared to the other characters (and that has already happened with events like Infinite Crisis, Trinity etc). So you can be an AQ or Flash fan and buy Trinity War, but you already know that they will play second fiddle to the Trinity.
Every time there is an event in DC you can bet that these 3 will overshadow all the others (the exception is Blackest Nnight and Flashpoint but that was due to Johnns being CCO mostly IMO)
If the Trinity concept would change every time according to the stories, that would be LOGICAL and RIGHT.
But when these 3 characters are guaranteed to overshadow all the others, just because they are the Trinity, and most of the events revolve around them, why should a fan of the other characters not be offended by the whole Trinity concept?
That's my whole point, by aknowledging a never changing Trinity, you give a free pass at top billing to these 3 evey time something happens in the DCU. And that's the problem. They don't constantly earn it. They just happen to be created before most of the other characters and it doesn't matter if they didn't have a good story in ages (which was the case for Supes and WW for a good amount of time). They are just a very old stereotype engraved to people's mind.
A bat! That's it! It's an omen.. I shall become a bat!
Green Lantern constantly outsells WW and in many cases Superman for the last 10 years or so.
GL also had a movie whereas WW didn't. In fact her TV Pilot was flat out atrocious and didn't even get picked up.
GL's event was waaaaaay better than WW's and Superman's (and was both a critical and financial success for DC)
GL has 3 titles under his banner, WW has 1 and Superman has 2.
So going by this logic (which I also find flawed) GL is the only logical choice for the Trinity.
But still WW is in the Trinity whereas GL is not.
Meaning GL is still regarded as less important by DC.
The Trinity also has no logical application in DCU.
Normal citizen would regard Superman (powerhouse), GL (ring that can do anything) and Flash (Speed of light) as their most important heroes since Batman is just a man in a suit (compared to the others) and WW is just a berserker with super strength and (maybe) flight.
So especially in a Comic Universe the current Trinity make's even less sense.
Anyway maybe I'm just tired of DC promoting a concept that is flat out wrong on every conceivable level in expense of some far better story potential. I just find the "Live or Die by the Trinity being more important than all our other heroes" logic disgusting. I hope DC proves me wrong. They haven't so far. The next major event is already called Trinity War.
I just wonder if we will ever see an event where the "Trinity" royally messes things up and it's up to the "lesser heroes" like GL, Flash, AQ, GA, Hawkman etc to save the day. I hope we will.
Make mine Trini... DC.
Superman, Batman and Wonderwoman are pretty much DC's mascots. It would not be great from a marketing standpoint if they made other superheroes be better than their mascots. Superman has even been part of their logo at one point, same with Spider-man and Marvel.