But.. Yeah. It's darker, definitely darker, but I love the visuals for Batman Returns. The Christmas feel makes it really quite sombre and allows for some really good sequences - like Bruce picking up the black cat at the end and knowing Selina's out there, the initial Red Triangle fight, and the really rather creepy bit with the Ice Princess being murdered.
Yeah, if any Batman film is misunderstood, it's Batman Returns. It has a really weird fairy tale vibe, and Danny Devito's take on the Penguin is the most interesting he's ever been.
I thought I was only the minority opinion for thinking Batman Returns was trash.
Funny thing is, the Burton films covered pretty much all the ground Nolan is praised for.
Batman '89 is about the transition from gangsters to freaks.
Batman Returns forces Batman to be the hunted outcast.
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"I came to the conclusion that the optimist thought everything good except the pessimist, and the pessimist thought everything bad, except himself." -- G.K. Chesterton
From what I remember, it's just as bad as Batman and Robin.
People still forget that Joel Schumacher wanted to keep the tone of Burton's Batman, it was the producers who wanted him to make it more merchandise friendly. The movie that he truly wanted you can see glimpses of when you look at the deleted scenes. I would love to see a true Joel Schumacher cut of Batman Forever. In one of the special features on the Blu-Ray disc Val Kilmer's talking about playing Batman, it's clearly several years past as his Cushing's Syndrome has started to take it's toll, but he says to himself "It's a really good script", I get the feeling he honestly thought that.
yeah, i don't blame Schumacher that much. he basically did what he was told.
Even though Jim Carrey pretty much stars as himself and not the Riddler, that dude cracks me up.
Its not misunderstood at all, its just less shitty than B&R
I understood what was going on in the film; it just wasn't what I was looking for out of a Batman movie.
"You see, but you do not observe."
This movie was NOWHERE near as bad as Batman & Robin. I wouldn't even consider it to be bad - it was "okay" in my estimation. It's a great film for kids and teens, but past that, you'd need to suspend a lot of disbelief to get past some of the stuff that happens. Even still, I like watching it sometimes. Batman & Robin on the other hand makes me cringe every scene - literally every single scene. There was a "De-assified" fan-edit version that was cut down to about 30 minutes, but even that was hard to watch.
But all things considered, it's a damn shame that people won't recognize Batman Forever at all just because of its tragedy of a sequel.
Now that we have all this Batman stuff out there, if you watch Batman Forever with mindset that it's like a live action version of Batman: the Brave and the Bold, then it sort of works. Some things can't be forgiven (like Two-Face's portrayal, over the top music, neon lights, nipples, etc), but if you can somehow let all that slide, it's really not that bad. I wouldn't say it's misunderstood...it's just not given a chance anymore - which sucks because it's not even that bad.
Those movies came out as I was growing up, and I never liked them because they were basically one dimensional action films, except for Batman Returns. I felt that one had some depth to it. To me Batman Forever was the safe, marketable Batman film the studio had always dreamed of having. That being said Val Kilmer doesn't get the credit he deserves for knowing better than to return to the role in B&R. lol
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