Pro Wrestling in the 1990's !

[steve2275]

This Real early ECW from 06/15/1993 Part 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDWWcI28C-w

[SUPERECWFAN1]

This Real early ECW from 06/15/1993 Part 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDWWcI28C-w

We have to remember that before Heyman got booking power over the company (that would happen in fall of 1993) the show had a booking style of the Memphis territory. Which reallyn wasn't in style at all by the mid 1990's. Eddie Gilbert was booker til September and wasn't til he had a falling out they gave the job to Paul.

If you catch pt.2 or a later ECW show that summer of 1993 , you get a funny vignette of the Sandman as a surfer. Which will make you laugh your ass off.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

You have seen the funny online youtube comic videos of Colt Cobana's "Creative has Nothing For You". The videos are funny. They are so true at times with the ole saying in pro wrestling , creative has nothing for you. Usually this is a bad sign for a pro wrestler. The creative team has nothing for them and they just don't do anything with the wrestler. Usually said wrestler maybe gets a vacation for months on end . If he's a main event guy he gets the vacation. If he's a mid/low card guy its the scariest shit you could possibly hear. Lately the WWE Creative had nothing for Kane and Daniel Bryan as solo stars. Nothing for them...so they were like...fuck it , lets team them ! They didn't know what they would create but it worked in the oddest bit of fashion.

In the 1990's this would happen in WCW. Who had at one point 240 pro wrestlers under contract at one point. They also made them all nearly go on the road as well (hence a reason the company went outta business as well). This continued for nearly the end of the companies existence til someone stopped that (I believe it was Bill Busch). Anyhow the company had so much talent at the Main Event and Upper-Card level , it was hard for stars to break through. And the stars that did was buddies with Eric Bischoff and got those prime pushes like DDP.



In 1998 as his career was hitting a bit of a slump in WCW after losing the US Title to Bill Goldberg , Scott Levy (aka Raven) was in a spot. He wanted a Main Event spot but knew breaking into it wouldn't be easy. Bischoff believed in keeping talent at certain points and divisions and rarely as I posted earlier let them raise up. WCW Creative meanwhile really didn't have anything for Raven as a character after it either. Levy was told to come up with something and propose it to get on TV and run as an angle.

Usually wrestlers get to propose an angle or two themselves at times. And if creative likes it , it will happen. But the big boss is key and Bischoff was the big boss then.

Levy decided if he couldn't get Nash , Hogan , Sting , or Flair at the top of the very card. He would propose an angle with someone who wasn't working a big time schedule with WCW at the time. So Levy picked Roddy Piper for his angle.



The angle as it was leaked out online and from books basically was this. Raven would to mock Roddy Piper , do a disturbed version of Piper's Pit on WCW. He would interview people and have Chris Kanyon play Jimmy Snuka or Bob Orton. This would piss Piper off who would then get smacked in the head with a coconut , starting off their angle. Levy was hoping the angle would launch him into the Main Event scene and show he could fued with the top players in the company.

WCW Creative loved the idea. The booking team wanted to do it and told Piper about it. Roddy Piper was game for it and its claimed thought the angle would be a fun unique twist on the past and wanted to work it with Levy. Everyone in the company wanted to do this storyline. Well...everyone except one guy....




Bischoff rejected the angle claiming it wouldn't work or some nonsense. Of course he would later run an angle where Raven and Sandman were rich brothers and Kanyon discovered that he was a very pampered outcast. It was a complete WTF ?

Its said that Levy's anger with Bischoff grew over the rejection of the angle he proposed and the crap he was then put in. Eventually he would be the 1st to accept Bischoff's "take it or leave it" offer that September and its said the Raven situation and guys wanting their releases after it , that forced Bischoff out of power that 1st time.

Raven would have this situation repeat itself in 2001/2002 with the WWE and Brian Gerwitz who wouldn't run Levy's angle that was approved by Vince McMahon. That angle would have united the mid-carders and put Kane under Levy's control and been Jeff Hardy's 1st real upper-mid card push. Levy called it "The Seven" angle and hinted that Gerwitz likely had heat with him and wouldn't put him on TV due to it.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

You have seen the funny online youtube comic videos of Colt Cobana's "Creative has Nothing For You". The videos are funny. They are so true at times with the ole saying in pro wrestling , creative has nothing for you. Usually this is a bad sign for a pro wrestler. The creative team has nothing for them and they just don't do anything with the wrestler. Usually said wrestler maybe gets a vacation for months on end . If he's a main event guy he gets the vacation. If he's a mid/low card guy its the scariest shit you could possibly hear. Lately the WWE Creative had nothing for Kane and Daniel Bryan as solo stars. Nothing for them...so they were like...fuck it , lets team them ! They didn't know what they would create but it worked in the oddest bit of fashion.

In the 1990's this would happen in WCW. Who had at one point 240 pro wrestlers under contract at one point. They also made them all nearly go on the road as well (hence a reason the company went outta business as well). This continued for nearly the end of the companies existence til someone stopped that (I believe it was Bill Busch). Anyhow the company had so much talent at the Main Event and Upper-Card level , it was hard for stars to break through. And the stars that did was buddies with Eric Bischoff and got those prime pushes like DDP.



In 1998 as his career was hitting a bit of a slump in WCW after losing the US Title to Bill Goldberg , Scott Levy (aka Raven) was in a spot. He wanted a Main Event spot but knew breaking into it wouldn't be easy. Bischoff believed in keeping talent at certain points and divisions and rarely as I posted earlier let them raise up. WCW Creative meanwhile really didn't have anything for Raven as a character after it either. Levy was told to come up with something and propose it to get on TV and run as an angle.

Usually wrestlers get to propose an angle or two themselves at times. And if creative likes it , it will happen. But the big boss is key and Bischoff was the big boss then.

Levy decided if he couldn't get Nash , Hogan , Sting , or Flair at the top of the very card. He would propose an angle with someone who wasn't working a big time schedule with WCW at the time. So Levy picked Roddy Piper for his angle.



The angle as it was leaked out online and from books basically was this. Raven would to mock Roddy Piper , do a disturbed version of Piper's Pit on WCW. He would interview people and have Chris Kanyon play Jimmy Snuka or Bob Orton. This would piss Piper off who would then get smacked in the head with a coconut , starting off their angle. Levy was hoping the angle would launch him into the Main Event scene and show he could fued with the top players in the company.

WCW Creative loved the idea. The booking team wanted to do it and told Piper about it. Roddy Piper was game for it and its claimed thought the angle would be a fun unique twist on the past and wanted to work it with Levy. Everyone in the company wanted to do this storyline. Well...everyone except one guy....




Bischoff rejected the angle claiming it wouldn't work or some nonsense. Of course he would later run an angle where Raven and Sandman were rich brothers and Kanyon discovered that he was a very pampered outcast. It was a complete WTF ?

Its said that Levy's anger with Bischoff grew over the rejection of the angle he proposed and the crap he was then put in. Eventually he would be the 1st to accept Bischoff's "take it or leave it" offer that September and its said the Raven situation and guys wanting their releases after it , that forced Bischoff out of power that 1st time.

Raven would have this situation repeat itself in 2001/2002 with the WWE and Brian Gerwitz who wouldn't run Levy's angle that was approved by Vince McMahon. That angle would have united the mid-carders and put Kane under Levy's control and been Jeff Hardy's 1st real upper-mid card push. Levy called it "The Seven" angle and hinted that Gerwitz likely had heat with him and wouldn't put him on TV due to it.

hey super idk if you remember but i think there might've been plans to do both the rich guy & piper angles. in one of those early 99 videos of raven at the mansion kanyon was helping raven get some boxes out of the garage raven opened a box and there was an 8x10 autographed glossy of piper that raven pulled out, kanyon asked "what's that" and raven was like "nothing..nothing" and put it back in the box. i was wondering what that was all about, thanx for the info.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

hey super idk if you remember but i think there might've been plans to do both the rich guy & piper angles. in one of those early 99 videos of raven at the mansion kanyon was helping raven get some boxes out of the garage raven opened a box and there was an 8x10 autographed glossy of piper that raven pulled out, kanyon asked "what's that" and raven was like "nothing..nothing" and put it back in the box. i was wondering what that was all about, thanx for the info.

That likely was a "wink" to what Raven really wanted to do and maybe hoped perhaps Creative would have possibly done the angle. But the entire thing was utter shit. I remember the jokes online... "So ...WCW hired Sandman and Raven...and instead of a hardcore , take no prisoners fued...we get this ? What the fuck is this company on ?"

[lboinyamouf4sho]

for my own selfish purposes i'm glad they didn't go with raven's piper angle. i thought piper was horrible in WCW, there's no way i would've enjoyed that. while i do feel they wasted a bunch of time with the "rich boy" thing i enjoyed the brief feud with sandman & bam bam, and then later teaming up with saturn to battle benoit/malenko & rey/kidman. his promo skills were wasted in the tag feud but the wrestling was very enjoyable.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Back in the early 1990's , Vince McMahon was under fire. It wasn't easy being the #1 company in the US then. Because from 1990-1994 Vince had to face down various lawsuits and more. And not good lawsuits. These were the seedy kind where former wrestlers were discussing to local news how wrestlers were using drugs , having wild sex and basically sexual harassment claims from annoucers.





There was more than what we saw in this video. There was a massive steroid trial going on that had the Feds looking at Vince. Things were pretty bad with that one and Vince had the company prepared to move ahead if he went away and Jerry Jarrett was gonna run the company while he was gone. This was likely the closest Vince ever got to actual fear he would be gone from the company.

The funniest lawsuit actually came from Kevin Wacholz (Nailz) . Wacholz had worked in the AWA as "Mr. Magnificent" Kevin Kelly and rose to the top of the card due to talent defections by 1986. Once the AWA went out of business Wacholz went around to some indies and found himself in the WWF .



His biggest claim to fame was playing Nailz , a former inmate that claimed the Big Bossman took liberties and beat him up. Also that he was a free man unjustly convicted. After a pretty decent fued with Big Bossman , the idea was for Nailz to be the next one the Undertaker faced at Wrestlemania more or less . They even teased the angle with January WWF Magazine cover with Undertaker and Nailz eyeing each other. Of course that never happened due to the fact Wacholz had a fit of rage and did what a lot of wrestlers wish they could do (before Austin did it in ring) to Vince McMahon.

Its said he snapped and was choking Vince out in a rage in his office. The people broke it up and in Bret Hart's book he discussed it. Faster than I can type this Nailz was fired , but he later sued for wrongful termination. The company counter-sued him later. But its just an insane thing to see someone choke out his boss and then claim wrongful termination. Wacholz would later testify at the 1994 steroid trial (which its been said was a HUGE epic blow to the Prosecution's case) and went on how he hated Vince McMahon's guts and he made him take steroids.

Once it was brought up what he did and his hate for Vince , the case was pretty much sunk.

In all with all these legal cases , ex-wrestlers blasting the company and the threat of likely being gone to run the company ...is it any wonder the early 1990's wasn't a good time for Vince McMahon and the WWF ?

[priunicron]

Back in the early 1990's , Vince McMahon was under fire. It wasn't easy being the #1 company in the US then. Because from 1990-1994 Vince had to face down various lawsuits and more. And not good lawsuits. These were the seedy kind where former wrestlers were discussing to local news how wrestlers were using drugs , having wild sex and basically sexual harassment claims from annoucers.





There was more than what we saw in this video. There was a massive steroid trial going on that had the Feds looking at Vince. Things were pretty bad with that one and Vince had the company prepared to move ahead if he went away and Jerry Jarrett was gonna run the company while he was gone. This was likely the closest Vince ever got to actual fear he would be gone from the company.

The funniest lawsuit actually came from Kevin Wacholz (Nailz) . Wacholz had worked in the AWA as "Mr. Magnificent" Kevin Kelly and rose to the top of the card due to talent defections by 1986. Once the AWA went out of business Wacholz went around to some indies and found himself in the WWF .



His biggest claim to fame was playing Nailz , a former inmate that claimed the Big Bossman took liberties and beat him up. Also that he was a free man unjustly convicted. After a pretty decent fued with Big Bossman , the idea was for Nailz to be the next one the Undertaker faced at Wrestlemania more or less . They even teased the angle with January WWF Magazine cover with Undertaker and Nailz eyeing each other. Of course that never happened due to the fact Wacholz had a fit of rage and did what a lot of wrestlers wish they could do (before Austin did it in ring) to Vince McMahon.

Its said he snapped and was choking Vince out in a rage in his office. The people broke it up and in Bret Hart's book he discussed it. Faster than I can type this Nailz was fired , but he later sued for wrongful termination. The company counter-sued him later. But its just an insane thing to see someone choke out his boss and then claim wrongful termination. Wacholz would later testify at the 1994 steroid trial (which its been said was a HUGE epic blow to the Prosecution's case) and went on how he hated Vince McMahon's guts and he made him take steroids.

Once it was brought up what he did and his hate for Vince , the case was pretty much sunk.

In all with all these legal cases , ex-wrestlers blasting the company and the threat of likely being gone to run the company ...is it any wonder the early 1990's wasn't a good time for Vince McMahon and the WWF ?

Making Hulk Hogan and a handful of other talents the top priority and their defection to WCW put WWF on the hot trail. Vince McMahon couldn't know how he would manage the remaining talent, since the priority was not on them. Including that, to be limited by their boss made all of these talents to be dumbfounded and using other methods to feel themselves powerful.

By the way, in early 1990's, how was the ratings war between WWF and WCW?

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Making Hulk Hogan and a handful of other talents the top priority and their defection to WCW put WWF on the hot trail. Vince McMahon couldn't know how he would manage the remaining talent, since the priority was not on them. Including that, to be limited by their boss made all of these talents to be dumbfounded and using other methods to feel themselves powerful.

By the way, in early 1990's, how was the ratings war between WWF and WCW?

non-xistant, nitro didn't kick off until 95, and closer to the end of the year too i think.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

By the way, in early 1990's, how was the ratings war between WWF and WCW?

Well I will address this one for now because in a few days I'll post something about that. There wasn't a ratings war per say because WCW had Saturday Night's Main Event which was the A show for years. But the company was clearly regarded as the #2 company to the WWE. They also were losing over $6 million dollars a year before Bischoff came in as VP and stopped the money losses.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

In wrestling promoters are always looking for that next star. That next one who will carry the company. In the Crockett era , Jim Crockett in the 1980's felt that Magnum TA would be that next huge star for them. Magnum looked like Tom Selleck and women would swoon for him when he entered in ring. It was such a blow to the company with how his career ended. In the AWA, Verne Gagne fell into a trap of believing his older stars would always be around to carry the company . This is why companies always prepare ahead for that next big star of the company. In 2004 , the WWE saw that HHH wouldn't be the guy to carry the company into the next era. His body was pretty shot and its best to admit he couldn't logically keep being the Main star after some down years had investors speak up wanting new stars made. So they handed the crown to John Cena...and now 7 years later , talk has came up Cena's replacement talks have started. Since he's 36 and his body isn't as healthy.

2 decades ago the WWF was in a spot. Their key 80's star who had carried the company to heights not seen ever , was older. For 6 years he had been over the company as the A+ star and had brought it millions of dollars of revenue. But by 1990 he was 37 and the question had to be , who can replace him as a draw ? Because the Rock n Wrasslin era had ended 2 years earlier and the company saw that the kids were growing up and moving on from Hulk. That next star had to be a key guy. Someone the company could build the future and make money as a draw.

The only one on the roster was the Ultimate Warrior who had fit the bill. Jim Hellwig had came from World Class and portrayed the Dingo Warrior . A slight name change and he was off and running as the Ultimate Warrior. Kids instantly took to him...because he had an edge. He was like a rock star in a way with his long hair and he had dominanted the mid/upper card since he arrived. So the WWF felt , he can be our next Hogan. Plus he was 31 and they felt he could be the star of the 1990's for the company like Hogan did for the 1980's. They had him win at the biggest Wrestlemania in the last few years at Wrestlemania VI. He also got a sendoff from Hogan (who later claimed he was trying to steal his glory).



But the problems soon set in. Jim Hellwig wasn't the most sane man. In fact as you watch the Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior...he was pretty insane and would drive Vince up the wall a lot. Other issues...

1.) While Hogan wasn't an in-ring god , Warrior made Hogan look like Bob Backlund. Not only was Hellwig unsafe , he would be stiff to work with. A fact Andre the Giant had to smack around Hellwig in a match to knock some sense into him. Warrior's matches were short affairs because he couldn't work long as well.

2.) Insane promo's ...kids as Chris Jericho would think...ok that was cool. But as they got older , the kids started to realize Warrior was speaking outright gibberish. Gene Okerland would shake his head at times in the promo's as he really had no fucking clue what the guy he was interviewing would do.

3.) Kids growing up. By 1990 kids had grown up to a point that even Hogan was no longer considered cool. Warrior was supposed to be an edgier version. But the fanbase was growing up.

After the Ultimate Warrior fizzled , the WWF was still trying to create the next Hogan type face. Someone to carry the company. They would do this for the early 90's period and try 3 more stars that would make you do a WTF ?




Brian Adams was a member of Demolition named Crush when the group went heel and had 3 members. After a year off from the WWF in 1992 , Crush would return as a face. He was big , blond and did a devasting move. His whole name was now Kona Crush and he was an easy going ssurfer dude. Its clear the character was supposed to be WWF's next attempt at creating that Hoganesque face. Due to Warrior's instability and all. Crush however never clicked with fans and was later destroyed by Yokozuma on TV a year in.



Sid Eudy was brought in after his WCW career ended due to...crazy circumstances. Anyhow , Sid was renamed Justice and given a face turn. Sid had the size and the company believed he could be the guy to replace Hogan in 1992/1993. But months in they soon realized Sid worked better as a heel and had him do a heel turn on Hogan. Sid would leave the company soon after and return in the late 90's under his name Sid Vicious. Which fit him better than being called Sid Justice.



By 1994 even USA Network was pushing Vince and the company to create the next Hogan. So Vince had hired Kevin Nash and made him Shawn Michaels bodyguard Diesel. What made Diesel click with some fans was his heel persona and all. They enjoyed that and it got him some cheers. Vince believing he could be that next huge face , by passing the more over Shawn Michaels was a colossal mistake however.

Instead of scraping the idea like he had with Crush and Sid , McMahon put the belt on Nash and proceeded to watch business go in the toilet as Nash became that happy boring face no one wanted to see. By the end of 1995 McMahon finally realized if he wanted to save his business it was time to accept that Nash wasn't working as WWF World champion and had him drop the belt to Bret Hart.

Nash would leave the company in 1996 and in a funny situation , Vince decided to recreate Diesel and Razor Ramon months after they left. Which ended after weeks due to boos and people actually caring about the real Nash and Hall over at WCW.

[Legato]

In wrestling promoters are always looking for that next star. That next one who will carry the company. In the Crockett era , Jim Crockett in the 1980's felt that Magnum TA would be that next huge star for them. Magnum looked like Tom Selleck and women would swoon for him when he entered in ring. It was such a blow to the company with how his career ended. In the AWA, Verne Gagne fell into a trap of believing his older stars would always be around to carry the company . This is why companies always prepare ahead for that next big star of the company. In 2004 , the WWE saw that HHH wouldn't be the guy to carry the company into the next era. His body was pretty shot and its best to admit he couldn't logically keep being the Main star after some down years had investors speak up wanting new stars made. So they handed the crown to John Cena...and now 7 years later , talk has came up Cena's replacement talks have started. Since he's 36 and his body isn't as healthy.

2 decades ago the WWF was in a spot. Their key 80's star who had carried the company to heights not seen ever , was older. For 6 years he had been over the company as the A+ star and had brought it millions of dollars of revenue. But by 1990 he was 37 and the question had to be , who can replace him as a draw ? Because the Rock n Wrasslin era had ended 2 years earlier and the company saw that the kids were growing up and moving on from Hulk. That next star had to be a key guy. Someone the company could build the future and make money as a draw.

The only one on the roster was the Ultimate Warrior who had fit the bill. Jim Hellwig had came from World Class and portrayed the Dingo Warrior . A slight name change and he was off and running as the Ultimate Warrior. Kids instantly took to him...because he had an edge. He was like a rock star in a way with his long hair and he had dominanted the mid/upper card since he arrived. So the WWF felt , he can be our next Hogan. Plus he was 31 and they felt he could be the star of the 1990's for the company like Hogan did for the 1980's. They had him win at the biggest Wrestlemania in the last few years at Wrestlemania VI. He also got a sendoff from Hogan (who later claimed he was trying to steal his glory).



But the problems soon set in. Jim Hellwig wasn't the most sane man. In fact as you watch the Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior...he was pretty insane and would drive Vince up the wall a lot. Other issues...

1.) While Hogan wasn't an in-ring god , Warrior made Hogan look like Bob Backlund. Not only was Hellwig unsafe , he would be stiff to work with. A fact Andre the Giant had to smack around Hellwig in a match to knock some sense into him. Warrior's matches were short affairs because he couldn't work long as well.

2.) Insane promo's ...kids as Chris Jericho would think...ok that was cool. But as they got older , the kids started to realize Warrior was speaking outright gibberish. Gene Okerland would shake his head at times in the promo's as he really had no fucking clue what the guy he was interviewing would do.

3.) Kids growing up. By 1990 kids had grown up to a point that even Hogan was no longer considered cool. Warrior was supposed to be an edgier version. But the fanbase was growing up.

After the Ultimate Warrior fizzled , the WWF was still trying to create the next Hogan type face. Someone to carry the company. They would do this for the early 90's period and try 3 more stars that would make you do a WTF ?




Brian Adams was a member of Demolition named Crush when the group went heel and had 3 members. After a year off from the WWF in 1992 , Crush would return as a face. He was big , blond and did a devasting move. His whole name was now Kona Crush and he was an easy going ssurfer dude. Its clear the character was supposed to be WWF's next attempt at creating that Hoganesque face. Due to Warrior's instability and all. Crush however never clicked with fans and was later destroyed by Yokozuma on TV a year in.



Sid Eudy was brought in after his WCW career ended due to...crazy circumstances. Anyhow , Sid was renamed Justice and given a face turn. Sid had the size and the company believed he could be the guy to replace Hogan in 1992/1993. But months in they soon realized Sid worked better as a heel and had him do a heel turn on Hogan. Sid would leave the company soon after and return in the late 90's under his name Sid Vicious. Which fit him better than being called Sid Justice.



By 1994 even USA Network was pushing Vince and the company to create the next Hogan. So Vince had hired Kevin Nash and made him Shawn Michaels bodyguard Diesel. What made Diesel click with some fans was his heel persona and all. They enjoyed that and it got him some cheers. Vince believing he could be that next huge face , by passing the more over Shawn Michaels was a colossal mistake however.

Instead of scraping the idea like he had with Crush and Sid , McMahon put the belt on Nash and proceeded to watch business go in the toilet as Nash became that happy boring face no one wanted to see. By the end of 1995 McMahon finally realized if he wanted to save his business it was time to accept that Nash wasn't working as WWF World champion and had him drop the belt to Bret Hart.

Nash would leave the company in 1996 and in a funny situation , Vince decided to recreate Diesel and Razor Ramon months after they left. Which ended after weeks due to boos and people actually caring about the real Nash and Hall over at WCW.

I believe that The Rock's push, back when he was Rocky Mavia, was also WWE's way of trying to make the next Hulk Hogan. Sad thing about that is the fans started turning against him so WWE had to save face by turning him heel and putting him in The Nation of Domination. And the rest is history.

Stone Cold Steve Austin is what one would consider as the Anti-Hogan. He wasn't a clean cut baby face but a foul mouth, beer drinking, middle finger raising SOB. What made the fans love Austin is because when compared to the Hogan like faces he was refreshing at the time.

I think Cena is the closest WWE has to a new generation Hulk Hogan.

[Alex]

Diesels favorite man is wrestling is jbl, because he took his spot as worse drawing champ of all time.

[Nefarius]

Diesels favorite man is wrestling is jbl, because he took his spot as worse drawing champ of all time.

I don't know.Personally,i loved JBL's reign as WWE Champion.He was a decent heel champion and i was enjoyed Cena earning the title back then,because i was hoping for a more "Rock/Stone Cold" type of face champion with Cena.Instead,things turned into a more Hulk Hogan too good type of face champ.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Diesels favorite man is wrestling is jbl, because he took his spot as worse drawing champ of all time.

can those spots really even be compared though?? i mean JBL was only the smackdown aka "hhh doesn't want to work on tuesday nights" champion. they did have brandsplit PPV's back then though so he didn main event sometimes. i don't remember if they were doing PPV every month yet at the time diesel was champ.