Chris Claremont was RIGHT.

[Darthfury78]

Claremont is always right.

Chris Claremont should have handled the MC2 version of the X-Men. Another thing that he should have done was integrate Mystique and her Freedom Force(aka The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants) into Spider-Man's world in connection with Destiny's prophesy.

[anyajenkins]

I love Chris Claremont and have nothing but respect for his work. His legend in the world of Marvel comics is without question. However, I don't think he was right about a lot of things. And sad to say, the poor reception that X-men Forever received and the early cancellation of the book shows that the editors were right to fire him back in 1991. Claremont is brilliant, but unbelievably stubborn. I understand why he was upset when Jean Grey was brought back in X-Factor. But he has no one to blame but himself for what happened with Cyclops. He wanted so badly to have that happy ending for Cyclops that he was willing to create a character out of thin air that looked and acted exactly like Jean Grey to do it. He just wouldn't let that go and seemed to harp on it at every turn in his subsequent work. There's being bitter and then there's just being petty. I think X-men Forever showed that Claremont's vision for the X-men would not have worked.

I don't think you can say that. I'm pretty sure Forever wasn't what he had planned back then. I would actually still really like to read what he originally had planned.

[Saturius]

I don't think you can say that. I'm pretty sure Forever wasn't what he had planned back then. I would actually still really like to read what he originally had planned.

He already flat out said that X-Men Forever wasn't what he had planned. But he'd already revealed what would have happened in his later run if he hadn't been forced to leave in 91. He obviously wasn't going to write out the stuff he'd already told internet readers years ago. There'd be no suspense. I remember him being upfront about that.

I think Claremont gets a bad wrap about his recent stints with the X-Men. I personally thought X-men Forever was awful, but Revolution, X-treme-X-men, Reload UXM were all good. Certainly better than a lot of the stuff we've gotten in recent years.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I think Claremont gets a bad wrap about his recent stints with the X-Men. .

From who? Critics who couldn't write a sustained, serialized arc of even middling interest? Reviewers kowtowing to the hot contrarian opine in an effort to court the youth culture under the aegis of "cool"?

The thinking comic readers love Claremont.

[fod_xp]

From who? Critics who couldn't write a sustained, serialized arc of even middling interest? Reviewers kowtowing to the hot contrarian opine in an effort to court the youth culture under the aegis of "cool"?

The thinking comic readers love Claremont.

No they don't. He's the Ed Woods of comics.

[AcesX1X]

No they don't. He's the Ed Woods of comics.

what a detestable thing to say about a comic books legend.

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what a detestable thing to say about a comic books legend.

I wasn't being mean or insulting him, Claremont and Ed Woods have some notable similarities. Also, why hate Ed Woods? Yeah he made really bad movies but come on, even Ed Woods is now a cultural icon.

[Pixie_Solanas]

what a detestable thing to say about a comic books legend.

He's just being 100% Ellis-ian. Internet bloviation, thy name is Warren (and his groundlings).

[destro]

I wasn't being mean or insulting him, Claremont and Ed Woods have some notable similarities. Also, why hate Ed Woods? Yeah he made really bad movies but come on, even Ed Woods is now a cultural icon.

It's just Wood, no S.

And not really. Chris Claremont was one of Marvel's top writers for years. Ed Wood never had much success and didn't really have the cult audience around his movies build up til after his death. And that was for making such bad movies.

Claremont is generally remembered for his great comic book work in the 80s, not for making bad comics. Even if his modern comics aren't as good.

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He's just being 100% Ellis-ian. Internet bloviation, thy name is Warren (and his groundlings).

I consider that the highest compliment I could get. But my point still stands, he seems to be in the same sort of vein as Ed Wood, and I still don't mean it as an insult. The degree of success is different because of the type of entertainment medium both worked in. Ed Wood couldn't get away with his low budget wild antics, while Claremont could do the very same kind of quirky shenanigans because during that time in Comic Book history the general public viewed comic books as something children read whereas movies were taken much more seriously and therefore criticized much more harshly.

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What I am trying to say is, Ed Wood got punished for his sense of weird humor, while Claremont rode a wave of success on his equally weird and similar pulpy style of storytelling because they were each in a different entertainment medium. The target audience was the key, and Claremont had it in comic books because it is a more liberated storytelling medium, while movies are far more strict due to studios footing the bill for a movie. Ed Wood worked in movies and some writing, but his particular brand of humor did not reach out to the public in the medium he operated in.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Come on, maybe stretch a second post of analogy explanation out of it. You can do it!

[Washout]

What I am trying to say is, Ed Wood got punished for his sense of weird humor, while Claremont rode a wave of success on his equally weird and similar pulpy style of storytelling because they were each in a different entertainment medium. The target audience was the key, and Claremont had it in comic books because it is a more liberated storytelling medium, while movies are far more strict due to studios footing the bill for a movie. Ed Wood worked in movies and some writing, but his particular brand of humor did not reach out to the public in the medium he operated in.

What you're saying is you realized no one agreed with you and did your best to backtrack until they did. They don't.

[fod_xp]

What you're saying is you realized no one agreed with you and did your best to backtrack until they did. They don't.

No, I don't care if you agree or disagree, I am trying to make my point without "creator bashing" Claremont. Because apparently his fans can't tolerate honest and earnest criticism without crying "creator bashing Chris Claremont."

[tesh_karde]

I think Claremont gets a bad wrap about his recent stints with the X-Men. I personally thought X-men Forever was awful, but Revolution, X-treme-X-men, Reload UXM were all good. Certainly better than a lot of the stuff we've gotten in recent years.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this 100%. I loved Revolution.