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    Could E.V.A. technically be considered a post-op Fantomex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    Could E.V.A. technically be considered a post-op Fantomex?
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    I enjoy how Masque's kimono seems to have little vaginas on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild_Child View Post
    The x-men had always been about diversity,this is why they have a lot of diverse x-men members.I think it's time for an x-men transgendered member. We have gays and lesbians members and not transgendered(shape shifters don't count.)In comics as a medium, there really hasn't been any notable transgendered . There's only 2 that were memorable and that's lord fanny( The Invisibles)and Wanda(the sandman).so yea, I think we should introduce one to the x-men. Thoughts?
    Well intentioned, but as already shown here mainstream comics readers can't cope with it (point and laugh! make jokes! ugh), and honestly most comic writers wouldn't have a clue where to start.

    The fact that people point to gender-swapping shape shifters and ask "aren't they transgender?" just goes to show how little people understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .A² View Post
    Masque definitely counts as being transgender. There was also a mutant, Jessie Drake, introduced in Marvel Comics Presents #150, who had "empathic chameleon powers" that allowed him to become like whoever he was around for long periods of time. He hung out with psycho psychic mutant Typhoid Mary and became female, or at least feminine in appearance. In the final issue of the storyarc, he admitted that he liked being a girl, and wanted to stay with Typhoid. Man, if only he could join the JG School...just imagine the fun that could be had with her powers! Would she become super manly around Wolverine? A total whore around Emma Frost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_Alternate View Post
    Well intentioned, but as already shown here mainstream comics readers can't cope with it (point and laugh! make jokes! ugh), and honestly most comic writers wouldn't have a clue where to start.

    The fact that people point to gender-swapping shape shifters and ask "aren't they transgender?" just goes to show how little people understand.
    Not to mention the horribly repeated he/she in next to every post. It's either he or she, whatever that person wants it to be and guess what, it's only one of the pair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_Alternate View Post
    Well intentioned, but as already shown here mainstream comics readers can't cope with it (point and laugh! make jokes! ugh), and honestly most comic writers wouldn't have a clue where to start.

    The fact that people point to gender-swapping shape shifters and ask "aren't they transgender?" just goes to show how little people understand.
    But if a shape-shifter was originally (let's say) male and felt more comfortable in a female form, wouldn't that make the shifter transgender?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackphoenix View Post
    But if a shape-shifter was originally (let's say) male and felt more comfortable in a female form, wouldn't that make the shifter transgender?
    Yup. But the point was that a trasgender is not just someone who can change the sexy parts.

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    I think there are problems to doing this. By giving a character this type of identity issue you run the risk of making that all the character is about. Often characters (possibly due to bad or lazy writing), fall into the trap that all the charcters internal monolog, or solo stories concentrate on that aspect. Thus leading to a one dimentional charcter, that was originally attempted as a new and interesting idea, and then spiraling down into a one dimentional stereotype. Furthermore, despite comics being a visual medium, I see the drawing of the character as an issue. Do you present, a masculin femal, or a feminin male? Just visual I see the character as hard to depict. And if you make them "normal" looking without a audio tract, and the above mentioned and often re-enfored internal monologs, it would be very hard to set the character off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamf25 View Post
    Just visual I see the character as hard to depict.
    Why? A transwoman can look no different to any other woman, just as an FtM guy can look the same as any other guy.

    But you're right, introducing a transgender character would likely result in that being the sole focus of the character and continually referenced - which would be awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_Alternate View Post
    Why? A transwoman can look no different to any other woman, just as an FtM guy can look the same as any other guy.

    But you're right, introducing a transgender character would likely result in that being the sole focus of the character and continually referenced - which would be awful.
    My point was partially that a transgender women would when drawn would look like any other woman, which would make nessesary constantly referancing in monologs the fact they were trans gender to get the point across and keep it as part of the character. You picture just another pretty character in a comic and it will soon be forgotten that aspect of the character, and just become another pretty face. If you then referance it too much (like I fear would be done), then that is all the char is about. The poelpe would complain it was a one dimentional charcter. Thus thinking the balence between depicting, monolog, and stories for the charcter would be difficult to maintain the interest and quality.

    Now with live action, speech, movement, manerisms, and overal appearence can be a powerful reminder without the need to actively remind the reader, and make the job much easier. These are thing that would be difficult to impossible to pull of in a static, silent medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamf25 View Post
    Now with live action, speech, movement, manerisms, and overal appearence can be a powerful reminder without the need to actively remind the reader, and make the job much easier.
    You're making the assumption that a transperson can not / does not adopt or develop all of the aspects of their acquired gender that you list; which would be a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_Alternate View Post
    Well intentioned, but as already shown here mainstream comics readers can't cope with it (point and laugh! make jokes! ugh), and honestly most comic writers wouldn't have a clue where to start.

    The fact that people point to gender-swapping shape shifters and ask "aren't they transgender?" just goes to show how little people understand.
    Which is why I mentioned Xavin, actually. In hir case, it's not simply that sie changes hir outer form, but also that sie self-identifies variously as male or female depending upon it. I agree that oscillation across that line isn't typical for a transgendered person, though, and perhaps genderfluid might be a better term.

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