X-23 debuts in page 5 of the thread, I think.
Last edited by MrV; 08-06-2012 at 06:27 PM.
Also there have been some good stories where a dead character comes back, most people like the Winter Soldier story and I had no problem with them brining back Dr. Octopus in the 90s, because his death really sucked, it was there to make the big new 90s villain look cool by killing a established villain.
The problem I have with death and the UU, is often characters way to quickly and often write themselves into a corner. Not only did they kill all those characters in Ultimatum, but even before that they killed off characters after only a few issues, like Shaw. Sometimes the writers don't seem to think about the fact that if the character is killed off, they either have resurrect them or not use them again. You have to be really careful killing off a character then most of the UU writers have been. If the deaths were written better and felt like a natural exit for the character, then almost no one would be talking about brining them back.
For example, if you go back in time and kill Hitler, then in the future, you'll never go back in time to kill Hitler because you'll have never known who he is, thus if you're not going back in time to kill him then he's not getting killed by a time traveler. However, if you go back and kill Hitler, you're creating a new circumstance, a new reality which basically orphans you from your home timeline/reality (unless you had some sort of "return" device, but it would take you back to the timeline that didn't have Hitler get killed by a time traveler). That's kind of what Back to the Future is like. When Biff went back in time, his changes should have erased the Marty and Doc Brown that were time traveling, but they remained in existence because their home reality was intact. So long story short, you can't alter the present by time traveling. All you can do is create a new reality and make it better (or worse) for that timeline. So Cable/Wolverine still exists, but in an alternate universe detached from the Ultimate universe.
Last edited by CaptainMarvell; 08-07-2012 at 06:27 AM.
Pull List: Uncanny X-Men, All-New X-Men, Ultimates, New Avengers
Also: you're entitled to your opinion but it's pretty disrespectful to call Loeb a hack. Yeah, Ultimatum sucked. He did a terrible job, but the guy has written some amazing comics and any comic book fan should be appreciative of Loeb's contributions.
Holding out for a Peter/Miles team up.
I'm glad this conversation is still going.
I just wanted to add that my reason for making this thread wasn't really overall for coming up with ideas to bring characters back to life. I just really thought that there is still more X-Men characters still alive that were in the previous pages of Ultimate X-Men. I just believed that not all of the old characters (beyond the ones featured in the book now) that were part of the team before Ultimatum wouldn't all be dead.
This conversation as been pretty productive. So far I've discovered that a younger Bishop is still around. I previously knew Jubilee was still around. She hasn't been on the Ultimate X-Men team yet.....that's just not yet.....though she can still join the team. I'm still looking for other characters.