AVX COMMENTARY TRACK: Aaron on Issue #9, Plus Bonus Features

**XPac** · 08-06-2012, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Jota

The X-Men are realizing that the P5 are going crazy and they are leaving them. That doesn't mean that they are good with Wolverine. He's still the one of the biggest instigators of this mess. The P5 are crazy? They never asked for this power. It's his fault they got it!
And he's still a traitor. Again, how many times did Wolverine get mindcontroled, posessed or nuts and the X-Men made every effort to help him recover? But when he saw them going in a path he thinks it's wrong he made absolutely no effort to change their minds. He attacked them imediately! That's why he's a traitor and a piece of crap. If those people cared as little for him as he does for them, he'd be dead right now. He doesn't deserve them as friends or teamates.

So what you're saying is that the most overexposed character in Marvel will continue to have apearances that don't make any sense? Well, that comes as absolutely no surprise.
Yes, Wolverine will still be in the x-books. It just wont make any sense. After AvX, no one on the team would cross the street to spit on him, if they were trying to make any sense. Of course, this is Marvel and the x-books are going to be in the hands of the two writers responsible for AvX. And it's become pretty clear that Brian Bendis and Jason Aaron wouldn't know the meaning of logic and sense if they were it in the head with a diccionary.

Hope seems to be good with Wolverine. We know that much. Again, she specifically chose him to be her champion.

Solicits for August say: "Logan leads his own team of classic X-Men into battle!"

http://www.comicbookresources.com/ne...over-final.jpg

So I suspect the X-Men at the Jean Grey school don't seem to have a problem with Wolverine either.

If anything, I think the people the X-Men will have problems with after AvX will likely be members of the Extinction Team, not Wolverine. The issue here really isn't the X-Men have a problem with Logan... it's simply that you do. And the reason for that is simply that they understand the character even if you don't.

**Hariel0079** · 08-06-2012, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Jota

Except that would be complete bs! Emma said the absolute truth. She read Captain America's mind and knew he wasn't going away without Hope.
She didn't sold the other side as crazy zealots who would never see reason and should be attacked imediately. That was Logan!

Which you missed my point, The scene with Cap in Logan in issue 1 is comparable to that of Emma and Scotts scene when emma gives scott caps thoughts.

Which is the POINT

Emma's talk with Scott letting him know what cap was thinking could've easily added to scotts "amp" state of mind.

Logan did the same thing you stated about Emma, told the truth and how scott would and did act.

Both instigators if you compare those scenes. They both did their jobs by your logic

**Jota** · 08-08-2012, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by XPac

Hope seems to be good with Wolverine. We know that much. Again, she specifically chose him to be her champion.

Solicits for August say: "Logan leads his own team of classic X-Men into battle!"

http://www.comicbookresources.com/ne...over-final.jpg

So I suspect the X-Men at the Jean Grey school don't seem to have a problem with Wolverine either.

Oh goody! The writer of WATXM, after destroying his own book in AvX, is now trying to save it by having the X-Men be magicaly ok with Wolverine. Yes, I'm sure that issue won't be as moronic and senseless as everything he wrote this year!
You know, there would be a chance to redeem the character from all the crap he pulled in this story if there were some consequences for his actions, but we won't even have that.
And by "we", i mean the people who are actually fans of the character and are appalled by the way he was written in this story! No, he's not right! He's an asshole and a traitor and if that's not recognized then he's never going to make up for that and he'll forever be an asshole and a traitor. And I'm not reading stories with that character!

If anything, I think the people the X-Men will have problems with after AvX will likely be members of the Extinction Team, not Wolverine. The issue here really isn't the X-Men have a problem with Logan... it's simply that you do. And the reason for that is simply that they understand the character even if you don't.

I understand the character better then you, better then anybody who's writing AvX, and this thread has made it abundantly clear.

**Jota** · 08-08-2012, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Hariel0079

Which you missed my point, The scene with Cap in Logan in issue 1 is comparable to that of Emma and Scotts scene when emma gives scott caps thoughts.

Which is the POINT

Emma's talk with Scott letting him know what cap was thinking could've easily added to scotts "amp" state of mind.

Logan did the same thing you stated about Emma, told the truth and how scott would and did act.

Both instigators if you compare those scenes. They both did their jobs by your logic

Your point is wrong. Emma didn't tell any lies or made guesses about how Captain America was going to act. She knew what he was going to do. She read it in his mind. Now, given that she knew they were on the verge of being attacked she was obviously going to warn Cyclops about it.

**XPac** · 08-08-2012, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Jota

Oh goody! The writer of WATXM, after destroying his own book in AvX, is now trying to save it by having the X-Men be magicaly ok with Wolverine. Yes, I'm sure that issue won't be as moronic and senseless as everything he wrote this year!
You know, there would be a chance to redeem the character from all the crap he pulled in this story if there were some consequences for his actions, but we won't even have that.
And by "we", i mean the people who are actually fans of the character and are appalled by the way he was written in this story! No, he's not right! He's an asshole and a traitor and if that's not recognized then he's never going to make up for that and he'll forever be an asshole and a traitor. And I'm not reading stories with that character!

I understand the character better then you, better then anybody who's writing AvX, and this thread has made it abundantly clear.

Again, a good hunk of the X-men were switching sides too... so for them its likely pretty easy to understand why Wolverine initially sides against them.

Like Ice Man said... they were fighting on the wrong side. Once they realize that, Logans actions seem a heck of a lot more okay. They're just following his lead.

**Jota** · 08-09-2012, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by XPac

Again, a good hunk of the X-men were switching sides too... so for them its likely pretty easy to understand why Wolverine initially sides against them.

Like Ice Man said... they were fighting on the wrong side. Once they realize that, Logans actions seem a heck of a lot more okay. They're just following his lead.

The X-Men are changing sides because the P5 are going crazy. Those guys didn't existed in the beguining of the story, so Wolverine's actions are still not accepteable. More, he's partialy to blame for the P5 creation, so he doesn't get to say "I told you so" on that one.

**Hariel0079** · 08-10-2012, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Jota

Your point is wrong. Emma didn't tell any lies or made guesses about how Captain America was going to act. She knew what he was going to do. She read it in his mind. Now, given that she knew they were on the verge of being attacked she was obviously going to warn Cyclops about it.

Neither than Logan, I fail to see the difference.

Emma stated they weren't going to leave without Hope if she new about the Helcarrier then she would have mentioned it, but she didn't.

She didn't know nor stated it! Stick to the facts and what was written

**mikekerrIII** · 08-10-2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by XPac

Again, a good hunk of the X-men were switching sides too... so for them its likely pretty easy to understand why Wolverine initially sides against them.

Like Ice Man said... they were fighting on the wrong side. Once they realize that, Logans actions seem a heck of a lot more okay. They're just following his lead.

Wolverine sided with people that tried to turn the School into a jail again./ It takes Double Tefloned plot armor for Wolverine to get them behind him again

And where are any X-men shown buying the Avengers BS? they are fighting the P% that doesn't mean they want to help the Avengers doom the mutants?

**Hambone** · 08-10-2012, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Jota

And it's become pretty clear that Brian Bendis and Jason Aaron wouldn't know the meaning of logic and sense if they were it in the head with a diccionary.

You spelled "dictionary" wrong, maybe you should have actually read the thing instead of lobbing it at the writers' heads.

**Hambone** · 08-10-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Jota

The X-Men are changing sides because the P5 are going crazy. Those guys didn't existed in the beguining of the story, so Wolverine's actions are still not accepteable. More, he's partialy to blame for the P5 creation, so he doesn't get to say "I told you so" on that one.

Wolverine didn't build the device to split up the PF, his plan was to gut Hope when she lost control. One could just as easily say the X-Men shouldn't have been on the moon, (No one invited them!) so they're to blame for it. All Logan said was the Phoenix was bad news and always ends with people losing their minds. So he does indeed get to say "I told you so."

**AcesX1X** · 08-10-2012, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Hambone

Wolverine didn't build the device to split up the PF, his plan was to gut Hope when she lost control. One could just as easily say the X-Men shouldn't have been on the moon, (No one invited them!) so they're to blame for it. All Logan said was the Phoenix was bad news and always ends with people losing their minds. So he does indeed get to say "I told you so."

wolverine tried to gut hope before the phoenix even got close to planet earth.

**Hambone** · 08-10-2012, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by AcesX1X

wolverine tried to gut hope before the phoenix even got close to planet earth.

True, but she was looking all Phoenixed up and standing over the bodies of a bunch of fallen X-kids, so in his mind it was probably already there. His behavior is really no different then him trying to chop up the Cuckoos at the beginning Warsong (and even Scott was on board with that decision!) or Rachel when she went after Selene in Uncanny.

**AcesX1X** · 08-10-2012, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Hambone

True, but she was looking all Phoenixed up and standing over the bodies of a bunch of fallen X-kids, so in his mind it was probably already there. His behavior is really no different then him trying to chop up the Cuckoos at the beginning Warsong (and even Scott was on board with that decision!) or Rachel when she went after Selene in Uncanny.

mistaken identity. let's all be glad he didn't kill her.