99 Reasons Why The Dark Knight Rises SUCKED (Spoilers)

[the goddamn batman]

I read the title and just wanted to say I would never read 100 reasons why someone dislikes anything.

But, I do hope he feels superior to the big movie maker and that translates properly to the other aspects of his life where he still feels inferior.

[Zauri]

Especially if Avengers and ASM are your top two.

I didn't write the article, I just posted what I've read there. I post on CBM as well, but my moniker there is iJackSparrow.

You can pick apart ANY movies if you use these kind of reasonings in that article

Respectfully disagree. You can do this to flawed films that come from a brilliant two punch films, just like the first two Raimi's Spider-Man and Nolan's Batman films are. I reckon that the article is over the top, but there are far more deeper flaws in TDKR that goes beyond what he says. As a film, Nolan aimed too high and overplotted his film to the point that the characters don't have time to breathe. It's a self-indulgent mess, not even close to what made the first two films brilliant to begin with. But as I've said, this is my opinion and others that agree with the article. It's not like I'm not a Batman fan for disliking TDKR.

[tylenoljones]

The Avengers your serious?!

The Avengers was good, and I much preferred the Amazing Spider-Man to Raimi's films. There's no accounting for taste.

I read the title and just wanted to say I would never read 100 reasons why someone dislikes anything.

But, I do hope he feels superior to the big movie maker and that translates properly to the other aspects of his life where he still feels inferior.

That's pretty much my feeling on the issue.

[Rafa-Rivas-2099]

Couldn't have a more different view.

Even if TDK was more about the Joker (I'd say it's almost 50 : 50) it's still a comic book-based film, so that wouldn't be a reasonable argument to rank it lower by your own criteria.

I don't dislike anything in your list, all of it is awesome, I just don't like the order. I respect it, but it's not my cup:

1. TDK
2. TDKR
3. Superman
4. Batman
5. V for Vendetta
6. Spider-man 2
7. Batman Begins
8. Watchmen
9. Avengers
10. Superman II
11. X-men 2
12. Ironman
13. Thor
14. Ironman 2
15. Batman Returns

I obviously use vintage glasses to rank the ones that came before X-men. 1989 is not the perfect Batman story, but it's quite good as a story.

[ArnoldoAAD]

I saw the movie yesterday and I liked it, i felt that there were some problems like the return of bruce to Gotham was too rush, like there were some missing scenes to end up in the editing floor
but other than that it was a great movie
all movies are going to have flaws but concentrating only on those errors is just stupid

[ticklefist]

I'll admit it I didn't really care for it but 99 things? Seems nitpicky. Might end up rolling my eyes more at this list than I did the movie.

[Zauri]

Couldn't have a more different view.

Even if TDK was more about the Joker (I'd say it's almost 50 : 50) it's still a comic book-based film, so that wouldn't be a reasonable argument to rank it lower by your own criteria.

I don't dislike anything in your list, all of it is awesome, I just don't like the order. I respect it, but it's not my cup:

1. TDK
2. TDKR
3. Superman
4. Batman
5. V for Vendetta
6. Spider-man 2
7. Batman Begins
8. Watchmen
9. Avengers
10. Superman II
11. X-men 2
12. Ironman
13. Thor
14. Ironman 2
15. Batman Returns

I obviously use vintage glasses to rank the ones that came before X-men. 1989 is not the perfect Batman story, but it's quite good as a story.

Batman 89 and most of all Batman Returns are pretty bad ass. If I had to rank Batman films, that's how it would go down:

1. Batman Begins
2. The Dark Knight
3. Batman Returns
4. Batman (1989)
5. The Dark Knight Rises
6. Batman Forever
7. Batman & Robin

Everytime that Batman Returns is on I stop to watch the thing again. Love it.

As for the Batman reboot, I want something HEAVILY inspired on this:



Batman: Mask of The Phantasm trumps even The Avengers in my book if we are adding animated films in our all time favorite comic book-based films.

[Mr. Holmes]

So you basically want cartoons played by live actors?

[Zauri]

So you basically want cartoons played by live actors?

No, of course not. Do you know the difference between inspired and a cartoon remake? I hope so. I don't want a remake, and I'm okay with lousy adaptations that are true to the characters mythos. Hell, both Batman Begins and The Amazing Spider-Man change things up and they are still more true to what these characters are than any other film out there, it's all about the execution.

I'm talking about Batman TAS because for the reboot, I want a Batman that is able to exist in a World where Superman and all these superhumans also exist. I want the Justice League movie to happen. That's why. I want a Batman that is the best that any human can be and it's the World's greatest detective. I want the Batman that can lead a God, an Amazon warrior and a police cop. Do you know what I mean? I want a dark and broody Batman, but also a Batman that exists in a Gotham City where Metropolis and Apokolips also exist.

[Mr. Holmes]

No, of course not.

But you're basically describing a live action cartoon.

[Zauri]

But you're basically describing a live action cartoon.

No I'm not. It's all about execution. The Avengers proved that it can be done. Warner could prove that it can be done and can be done better. It's all a matter of them not pussying out and most of all, not rushing to make a Justice League film without the proper build up. Hell, I'm reading there someone asking if Nightwing can become as popular as Spider-Man. Well, it's possible. Maybe not in comics, but for the World, yes. Today Black Widow is more popular than Wonder Woman, and that's a result of Warner dropping the ball on the character. If there's one thing that Azzarello's Wonder Woman proves, it's that the character can be as much entertaining as Batman and Superman and any other major A list. It's all about execution, mate.

[Mr. Holmes]

If it's all about execution, we won't know until it ever hypothetically happens. But the more i think about a Justice League movie, the more implausible it sounds. Even Avengers was basically your basic popcorn blockbuster. I mean I guess it's cool to see your favorite characters on screen, but it's not really like the Dark Knight trilogy, which was truly something memorable and classic. I'd rather Superman have his own epic trilogy than have a Justice League movie.

[AdvanceBushido]

If it's all about execution, we won't know until it ever hypothetically happens. But the more i think about a Justice League movie, the more implausible it sounds. Even Avengers was basically your basic popcorn blockbuster. I mean I guess it's cool to see your favorite characters on screen, but it's not really like the Dark Knight trilogy, which was truly something memorable and classic. I'd rather Superman have his own epic trilogy than have a Justice League movie.

Well said and I agree with you whole heartily.

[Slugger]

Is that list serious?

[Rafa-Rivas-2099]

Batman 89 and most of all Batman Returns are pretty bad ass. If I had to rank Batman films, that's how it would go down:

1. Batman Begins
2. The Dark Knight
3. Batman Returns
4. Batman (1989)
5. The Dark Knight Rises
6. Batman Forever
7. Batman & Robin

Everytime that Batman Returns is on I stop to watch the thing again. Love it.

As for the Batman reboot, I want something HEAVILY inspired on this:



Batman: Mask of The Phantasm trumps even The Avengers in my book if we are adding animated films in our all time favorite comic book-based films.

I'd put the '68 film above Batman forever (hey, if you judge it considerein it was campy on purpose it surely ranks that high, besides, it still have great campy charaterizations of the Riddler and the Penguin).

I have to give you respect for your eye for detail on the Dark Knight Rises; however, I'm sure you can pull the same with Avengers or Ironman if you wanted. Even if it turns out to be more flawed than Avengers, I like the story better and the acting was great. I can be harsh on plotholes, but only when they push shock value and the other aspects are weak. The script did have a couple of lines that felt too "action movie" (which shouln't be the case in Nolan's franchise, ut it's nt a big deal or a superhero movie in general) and there was definitively something wrong with the pacing.

For me the pacing problem is all about Selina story and a small bit about Gordon. Selina's character should have felt more compelling to Bruce, so that even if he's sleeping with an apparently perfect woman, he's still magnetically attacted to a thief. A thief who, as the movie does put it, is tough as nails, but is shomehow a damsel in distress, in that she can't erase her past. I think Selina's impotence against her past (no need to tell it) should have been exposed to Bruce.

My other problem is Gordon. He was a big part of Begins and TDK, so he needed a bit more character time. Maybe he needed to be portrayed as a hero cop past his prime. Another problem is that he was a perspective character of sorts. Introducing Blake is fine by me, but perhaps he should be seen through Gordon (or whatever fixes the problem right).

I agree that Bane went from arch to hench the second Talia revealed herself. That'd be tough to fix. Maybe she should have somehow died, so that a desperate and wounded Bane had to try to destroy gotham. However, I dont mind that her character wasn't given more time, to me, that's what made the twist pop.