After AvX who should lead the Avengers?

[mikeb]

Go back to the original days, rotating chairmen or no leader at all.

I'm in favor of the rotating chairman.The Avengers don't need Der Furher for life like Cyclops has been for the X-Men...

[XPac]

I'm in favor of the rotating chairman.The Avengers don't need Der Furher for life like Cyclops has been for the X-Men...

Personally I never thought that system made sense.

Some people are simply more qualified to lead than others. And some have no interest in it.

Giving everyone a chance sounds nice in theory... but practically speaking it makes more sense to choose the most qualified people. This isn't a school club... these are life and death combat situations. You want good qualified people in that role.

[mikekerrIII]

He didn't betray any one, and he has been leading teams for a while now.

He betrayed Cap, He betrayed Hope, he betrayed his school with the thugs sent to the JGS, and he worked to make sure the mutants continue to be a doomed race. Who he didn't betray ?

[mikekerrIII]

that isn't betrayal i don't think cap even yelled, that was Logan telling him not to go off mission Logan did not act in contrary to the avengers stated goals.

Wolverine didn't betray any one to say he did is a lie, you are a liar.

Wolverine betrayed Cap's trust, by lying to him and then proceeding on a private murder attempt that made Caps whole initial plan worthless. Without Logans betray cap might have been able to get hop to go with him in Issue one. Lying to Cap about what was happening was a great betrayal also.

[mikekerrIII]

Cap. Everyone else is a step down from the Sentinel of Liberty.

Not really plausible since they made him a wimpy version of Jack Bauer.

There has been a lot Sentinel like about his recent actions though

[PwrdOff]

Personally I never thought that system made sense.

Some people are simply more qualified to lead than others. And some have no interest in it.

Giving everyone a chance sounds nice in theory... but practically speaking it makes more sense to choose the most qualified people. This isn't a school club... these are life and death combat situations. You want good qualified people in that role.

The number one trait of superheroes is that they are all individualists, the team leader should be more like a first among equals than a dictator. Instead of barking orders, the characters should be able to take their own initiative, and they should be able to coordinate because of the close knit bonds they have with one another, not because some asshole tells them what to do. Yes, this might be a little more difficult to write because you aren't just writing an army of loyal soldiers, but it feels more real and in the end is better.

[XPac]

The number one trait of superheroes is that they are all individualists, the team leader should be more like a first among equals than a dictator. Instead of barking orders, the characters should be able to take their own initiative, and they should be able to coordinate because of the close knit bonds they have with one another, not because some asshole tells them what to do. Yes, this might be a little more difficult to write because you aren't just writing an army of loyal soldiers, but it feels more real and in the end is better.

Which is essentially how the New Avengers operate... there's no officialy field leader, even though Cage is the leader at least unofficially.

That said, there are plenty of teams that do operate under a more formal chain of command, with someone acting as field leader and calling the shots.

I don't find either system innately wrong per say.... though I do think if you're going to have a field leader either way (whether you've got a rotating chair person system or something more fixed), you might as well get the most qualified person if he or she is able.

[okpanic]

Irrelevant. He betrayed the X-men by trying to kill one of their teammates,

By the same rationale wouldn't it be said he would have betrayed Hope by not following through to kill her like she asked of him?

Pretty bored of the "Wolverine betrayed the X-men because he's a mutant and therefore should align with the other (soon to be space bird crazy) X-men because minority stereotype and generalization~"


He felt he needed to do something that nobody else could or would do for the best of the world. That's the context here.

[Wellman]

By the same rationale wouldn't it be said he would have betrayed Hope by not following through to kill her like she asked of him?

Pretty bored of the "Wolverine betrayed the X-men because he's a mutant and therefore should align with the other (soon to be space bird crazy) X-men because minority stereotype and generalization~"


He felt he needed to do something that nobody else could or would do for the best of the world. That's the context here.

Doesn't change the fact he attempt to kill a kid, nor does his ratting said kid out to Cap later, make up for the fact that he actually has been running a assassination squad for months and has been hiding his involvement the creation of Tabla Rasa and the destruction of the town that was there before.

Wolverine has more skeletons in his closet then most villains currently in circulation do at this point.

[destro]

I think Dr. Strange would be an interesting pick. He definitely has the aura of authority. He has experience leading the Defenders (as much as that odd team could have a leader at least...it was him).

[Hariel0079]

Doesn't change the fact he attempt to kill a kid, nor does his ratting said kid out to Cap later, make up for the fact that he actually has been running a assassination squad for months and has been hiding his involvement the creation of Tabla Rasa and the destruction of the town that was there before.

Wolverine has more skeletons in his closet then most villains currently in circulation do at this point.

So, I guess Psylocke, Fantomex, Deadpool, Angel, are completely guilty too by your logic ( I don't recall Logan forcing them to do anything nor pointing a gun at any ones head)
Besides Didn't Cyke had his own hit squad? (keep in mind IT WAS CYKES IDEA not logan, he knew logan would go beyond that line, same reason Tony Stark asked Logan to be an avenger.)

Despite the hating and wolverine killing, I'm in pure shock everyone is taking this like it's a first time deal or this is out of character for him. It's what he does, what's ever best and last I checked the kid in question (whether you like or not) agreed on it, and even then she herself on the moon told him to. So regardless the whole "murderer" Idea when given the facts are out the window. Especially how many murderers make up the Extinction team and are on Utopia as is.

[gforce99]

Heres a random idea, Hickman will control most of the Avengers team books soon, and he has been promoting Black Panther in his final FF stories. I think T'Challa would be a great leader, I mean, he already is.

That is, if Cap doesn't want the job.

[Jay Dogg]

Honestly, I think the Avengers are beyond the whole "one leader" or a council of leaders concept. Most of the members are veteran heroes and if they can't work as a team, then they don't need to be on a team. If there's a new homegrown team with either new characters or those who are not yet established, then yeah...a leader should be chosen, like the X-Men was. Not every team should have a leader or figurehead.

But if so, then I'd still say rotate...that's if the team is small.

[gforce99]

But we already know there will be several new Avengers, some even new superheroes period. Yes the former x-Men members maybe superhero vets, but that doesn't mean that they know how to work with "this" team.

[Zen-aku]

Doesn't change the fact he attempt to kill a kid,

who was going to blowup the planet its excused

nor does his ratting said kid out to Cap later, make up for the fact that he actually has been running a assassination squad for months and has been hiding his involvement the creation of Tabla Rasa and the destruction of the town that was there before.

his Involvement is trying to stop it, which he and his team did stooping it from being worse

Wolverine has more skeletons in his closet then most villains currently in circulation do at this point.

He's saving the world with out telling any one how terrible