Thor's recent wins and losses

[Daithi]

By this logic if someone hit Rachel once in that battle and then waltzed away that would be a clear loss for Rachel?

Seemed to happen her when Thor beat her in his series when he reflected her TP bolt back at her? I don't see many Rachel fans complaining about that loss.

[graffiX]

Does it matter? I'm only going by what happened on page.

I agree.

By this logic if someone hit Rachel once in that battle and then waltzed away that would be a clear loss for Rachel?

Yep. Agree or disagree, but what happens on panel is canon.

[HaveAtThee]

Would this count as canon?

[Viteh]

Shouldn't "draws" be in its own section? It seems kinda biased.

[Haquim]

Seemed to happen her when Thor beat her in his series when he reflected her TP bolt back at her? I don't see many Rachel fans complaining about that loss.

If you ask me that's a loss because he knocked her out BUT it was also badly written by a writer who only wanted to make Thor look good and did not care about the relative power levels in that story and the credibility of the fight. So bad writing (same as Wolverine taking down kid Gladiator to be clear).
You claim that Rachel hitting him means she defeats him, but he's still standing and pretty well, as he fights PF Namor right after that...

[graffiX]

Would this count as canon?

Yep. A win for both Thor AND Juggernaut.

[seekquaze]

GLORY - During the Mini Event Chaos War, while the all father empowered Hercules was taking on Mikiboshi the Chaos King thor was left to battle mikiboshi's second in command guy Glory - an entire Panthenon of demonic Alien Gods merged in to one gigantic Being
Thor Blasted his way in to the Interior of the creature only to be assaulted by the spirits of the aliens that made up the creature, the beings where literaly tearing in to thor's soul and yet he still managed to muster the power to blow Glory's body completly apart from the inside. the blast seemed to kill both combatants as thor reverted to his donald blake form.
thor eventuly recovered.
elements of glorys being regenterated in to a smaller much weaker form but thor eventuly killed it off too

This is about the only impressive victory Thor has won.

GALACTUS - during the galactus seed arc Thor Propelled himself so hard in to the side of Galactus's Head that it partialy shattered the world eaters helmet

This is not a victory or even a draw. It wasn't even a fight. Thor blindsided Galactus who was busy with a mental duel with Odin. Anyone could have done that.

SILVER SURFER - also during that arc Thor battled the Silver Surfer thru space and on to the surface of Mars, with nether really gaining much of the upper hand, sif latter broke the fight up.

Sort of impressive, but in the past Thor has always had the Surfer's number.

ASGARDIAN HAMMER EMPOWERED HULK & THE THING - during Fear Itself thor was forced to take on the Hulk and The Thing at once, the two at first had the clear advantage pummeling thor across Nyc. until Thor Sent Mjolnir blasting thru The center of The Things Body (the wound would have been fatal if for not Franklin Richards healing him and clearing his body of asgardian possesion)
Thor and the Hulk then fought to a stand still, thor effectively won by Blasting The Hulk in to space, thor collapsed from Exhaustion moments later

This is about the only other impressive fight.

THE SERPENT - in the final battle of fear itself Thor battled The Serpent all father of fear in his dragon form using the twilight sword, after slaying the serpent by driving the sword in to the dragons skull, thor died in odins arms (it is unclear what, if any singular injury was the cause of thor's death)

Thanks to fate, prophecy, numerous power-ups, and the unclear nature of the fight this isn't that impressive.

AFTER BEING KILLED IN FEAR ITSELF THOR BATTLED HIS WAY OUT OF THE STOMACH OF THE DEMOGORGE THE CONSUMER OF DEAD GODS

Not impressive or even really a feat. Demogorge did not fight back and was more of a mindless mass. Thor recovered his memories thanks to the aid of Loki so in theory anyone could have done this.

ULIK / TANARUS - ulik the troll posing as thor in the guise of Tanarus the celtic god of thunder while thor was dead, upon thor's return thor easily defeated tanarus despite his new thunder god powers

Ulik has always been an idiot and Thor has always had his number. Heck, in the last decade or so Ulik became more of a throwaway villain.

RACHEL SUMMERS - during avx (spicificaly in Wolverine and the X-men Tie in) thor took on rachel summers who semi took thor down with a blast of pysi energy, most people are claiming that she beat thor easily i disagree as thor got back up almost immediatly to take on Namor and rachel moved on else where in the battle. this can hardly be consider a real fight IMO

This comes across less as a draw and in many ways more of a low showing due to Thor's humiliation.

ODIN - at the beginning of Fear itself odin demanded that the asgardian race leave earth for there home deminsion
thor was having none of that crap and hit odin in the head with Mjolnir, only for odin to deactivate the hammer, and pummel thor unconcious

This is acceptable because it is Odin.

EMMA FROST (possesd by the Phoenix Force) - thor took on the phoenix empowered emma frost and appeared to win by shattering her diamond body in to many peices, however the Phoenix Force wasnt done and blasted the diamond shards directly Thru Thor's Body (this would probley take down almost any person in the marvel universe) emma's peices then reformed and she (being the sore wining bitch that she is) preceed to kick the unconsious thor around a bit.

A big deal was made about all the extra powers Thor's hammer granted. He did not use any of them. He looked up and saw the pieces falling toward him and just stood there. The same Thor who has in the past blocked bullets. Add on Emma's trash talking and it is only more humiliating.

COLOSSUS and MAGIK (possesd by the Phoenix Force) - thor aparently took on the 2 Firebird empowered x-men in egypt, there is only one panel of the battle but considering the damage to the pyramids in the shot its pretty clear that thor put up a good bit of fight before being taken down.

Given the ease Thor has been defeated before this should have been a cakewalk.

what are your thoughts on this looking at the list and thease details?

You are forgetting:

PHOENIX CYCLOPS VS THOR: Thor talks big about bringing the thunder and all that. Cyclopes takes him out with a single optic blast while Thor just stands there.

THOR VS GRIFFIN FROM AVENGERS ASSEMBLE: Thor is taken out fairly easily in that fight while Hulk takes out Griffin with ease.

THOR BEING KOED BY ONE BLOW FROM HIS OWN HAMMER BY HULK: Hulk grabs Thor's hand and states something has taken over his mind. Thor just stands there as Thor kos him with one blow. Thor is out for the rest of the fight.

If you want to go back further you have Hulk: Let the Battle Begins and the Rhulk mess.

All in all, I don't see you having proved your point. Thor has only two fights of note among those you listed and only one loss was non humiliating. Two or three of what you liste can not even be called fights or are victories against opponnents he has walked all over before. The losses have Thor talk big about all his extra power and what not only to throw the hammer, it be totally ineffective, and fall over like a deck of cards. Heck, Rhulk had a better showing against the Phoenix 5 than Thor.

[Movieartman]

A big deal was made about all the extra powers Thor's hammer granted. He did not use any of them. He looked up and saw the pieces falling toward him and just stood there. The same Thor who has in the past blocked bullets. Add on Emma's trash talking and it is only more humiliating.

i think the whole thing of thor not defleting the shards was to show exactly how fast the firebird was propling them thru the air (seriously they shot clean thru the body of a god) in that by the time he noticed them it was already to late

PHOENIX CYCLOPS VS THOR: Thor talks big about bringing the thunder and all that. Cyclopes takes him out with a single optic blast while Thor just stands there.

THOR VS GRIFFIN FROM AVENGERS ASSEMBLE: Thor is taken out fairly easily in that fight while Hulk takes out Griffin with ease.

THOR BEING KOED BY ONE BLOW FROM HIS OWN HAMMER BY HULK: Hulk grabs Thor's hand and states something has taken over his mind. Thor just stands there as Thor kos him with one blow. Thor is out for the rest of the fight.

If you want to go back further you have Hulk: Let the Battle Begins and the Rhulk mess.

Heck, Rhulk had a better showing against the Phoenix 5 than Thor.

yes i did forget the cyclops fight.
the assemble book i have not read and there for was unaware of the details of it so i refraimed from posting it.

and yes the rulk did originaly beat thor, but thor also came back later in jeff parkers run and beat the rulks ass just as bad.

the rulk had his arm broken badly and had later or before gotten imobilized and had a x cut in to his chest yeah thats so much better
that said the rulk heals faster than thor so he probably would be up and back in fighting shape faster

[Dark Soul # 7]

and yes the rulk did originaly beat thor, but thor also came back later in jeff parkers run and beat the rulks ass just as bad.

Why do people always forget that Thor kicked Rulk's ass in Loeb's run too. It was in the last issue of the first story arc. Thor came back, beat the crap out of Rulk and Hulk had to stop him from killing the guy.

[Daithi]

You claim that Rachel hitting him means she defeats him, but he's still standing and pretty well, as he fights PF Namor right after that...

Ok, if you have a section called Win/Draw/Lost about fights would you say

Thor won his fight against Rachel?
Thor drew against Rachel?
Thor lost against Rachel?

I'm going with lost. His offensive was ineffective against her bar attacking her from behind while she was focused on Cap America.

Thor is still on the ground when Namor attacks him.

Likewise that image about where he fights Phoenix Rachel was a loss for her and a win for Thor.

[DiceRoll]

and yes the rulk did originaly beat thor, but thor also came back later in jeff parkers run and beat the rulks ass just as bad.

Except Rulk was trying to talk him down rather than fighting so...yeah.

Why do people always forget that Thor kicked Rulk's ass in Loeb's run too. It was in the last issue of the first story arc. Thor came back, beat the crap out of Rulk and Hulk had to stop him from killing the guy.

Because it was so forced, nonsensical and felt like such a blatant attempt to throw Thor fans a bone so they didn't put dog crap on Loeb's porch, that it was honestly forgettable.

Alternatively, and here's a scary thought, people don't generally care when Thor wins. They'd rather see him lose and only choose to remember that.

[DiceRoll]

If you ask me that's a loss because he knocked her out BUT it was also badly written by a writer who only wanted to make Thor look good and did not care about the relative power levels in that story and the credibility of the fight. So bad writing (same as Wolverine taking down kid Gladiator to be clear).
You claim that Rachel hitting him means she defeats him, but he's still standing and pretty well, as he fights PF Namor right after that...

I love how whenever an Avenger gets one over on an X-Man it comes down to bad writing.

[wengweng805]

Velovidad???
was that the teen mutant thor kicked to get to hope?
i wouldnt call that a real fight, just saying

ill take it as a w....taking what we can at this point lol
kid shouldnt have been standing there

[LordAllMighty]

I love how whenever an Avenger gets one over on an X-Man it comes down to bad writing.

Bad writing is bad writing, dude.

I also think it should be mention that Rachel didn't know it was Thor when she shot off the mental bolt....she thought it was Juggernaut. Which really calls into question why would she use a mental attack on someone who's helmet is known to block telepathic attacks?

[seekquaze]

and yes the rulk did originaly beat thor, but thor also came back later in jeff parkers run and beat the rulks ass just as bad.

the rulk had his arm broken badly and had later or before gotten imobilized and had a x cut in to his chest yeah thats so much better
that said the rulk heals faster than thor so he probably would be up and back in fighting shape faster

Rhulk was treated like a real threat by Emma and the other Phoenix 5. They specifically mentioned how he had defeated the Watcher and Silver Surfer. Emma came across as surprised and somewhat fearful of him. That is a big difference in the way Thor has constantly been treated. A lost itself is not necessarily bad. Its how its done time and again. And time and again Thor is humiliated.

And has DiceRoll states Rhulk was trying to talk him down and Thor's comeback in his second fight came off as somewhat forced given the utter dominance Rhulk has shown over everyone.

Except Rulk was trying to talk him down rather than fighting so...yeah.

Because it was so forced, nonsensical and felt like such a blatant attempt to throw Thor fans a bone so they didn't put dog crap on Loeb's porch, that it was honestly forgettable.

Alternatively, and here's a scary thought, people don't generally care when Thor wins. They'd rather see him lose and only choose to remember that.

Agreed, and it is the first reason. People do care when Thor wins, but overall his win/loss record hasn't been that good with some of his so called "victories" having gigantic question marks hanging over them and his defeats being particularly humiliating.

Oh, just remembered another recent Thor fight:

THOR VS TUTINAX from Thor: the Deivants Saga: Thor gets his butt kicked twice. The first time is understandable given Tutinex is close to Thor's strength and has some fear powers. It became a humiliation when Thor fought him again, tried the exact same strategy as before (only hitting him with the hammer) and getting his butt easily kicked.

So chalk up two more defeats in the defeat column.