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    Quote Originally Posted by thespianphryne View Post
    Hey, if you're going to insult whole boards and the people who post there, I'm going to be annoyed, because that's fairly rude. But if you're going to insult prostitutes because you think they're less deserving than your can't-get-laid-the-usual-way self, I'm going to be really angry because that's uptight, sex-negative, and misogynistic. Not to mention, just a really fucking depressing and jerky attitude to have towards someone who is often in a persecuted and exploited minority.

    So don't do it. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marvell2100 View Post
    And thus the reason alot of people have given up on a comic that is supposed to be about diversity and acceptance and has very little to offer of either besides tokenism and lip service.
    I somewhat agree.

    I think the X-titles have gotten passed tokenism when it comes to diversity. I mean, the line-ups are diverse, even if it's very female heavy.

    However, inclusion and acceptance have been an issue, even though it was a story point to some degree. There are gaping holes in the male end of said diversity. And frankly, because of their mutant status overtaking everything else, the diversity has always come off as lip service because it really doesn't inform the stories as much as they should. Numerous examples have been brought up time and time again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Vega View Post
    Who are you, again?
    Not sure if this is a joke post or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Vega View Post
    Who are you, again?
    Uh, Vic, that's the comm board mod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thespianphryne View Post
    Hey, if you're going to insult whole boards and the people who post there, I'm going to be annoyed, because that's fairly rude. But if you're going to insult prostitutes because you think they're less deserving than your can't-get-laid-the-usual-way self, I'm going to be really angry because that's uptight, sex-negative, and misogynistic. Not to mention, just a really fucking depressing and jerky attitude to have towards someone who is often in a persecuted and exploited minority.

    So don't do it. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Vega View Post
    At this point Marvel with this diversity issue is like an Ice Cream shop where you go in and ask for Strawberry Ice Cream
    and the counter dude tries to sell you every flavor under the sun except the one you friggin asked for.
    Then the store's regulars come up to you are are like "Why won't you try the Rocky Road or Fudge Swirl"?
    "Because it is not what I was @#$$%-ing asking for."
    What is even funnier to me is that if this were the Marvel of the 90's we aren't even having this conversation.
    War Machine, Deathlok, Nightwatch, Night Thrasher all had ongoing solos and Synch and Skinn prominently featured in Generation X.
    So it is more like they used to sell Strawberry Ice Cream now they stopped selling it but they still want you to be continue to be a customer despite
    them not having what you want any-more and them not trying to get it in stock either.
    Your problem Vic ISN'T that they stopped selling Strawberry Ice-cream, your problem is they stock it less than they used to; and sometimes you get to the shop too late and it's all been sold. But they STILL sell it. The reason being, back in the good ol' days, they mostly just sold vanilla ice-cream... occasionally branching out into chocolate chip or strawberry if they felt brave; but the majority of their sales came from vanilla. But now, people want MORE than just those three flavours; so the shop needs to cater to more tastes, even if limited to the same number of tubs they've always had. Vanilla still dominates, and so some slots (once abundant in strawberry and chocolate chip) need to be split to cater to OTHER tastes, tastes just as worthy and just as yummy (and remember, this very same ice-cream shop had a "No peppermint and choc-chip" rule in place till 1991; so that's one big area of taste-buds that strawberry never had to contend with).

    You can still buy strawberry, but other varied tastes need sale time too. The reason strawberry suffered, is the policy of the ice-cream shop used to assume if people want variety... then strawberry is all they need. That's just not how society works nowhere-days. So stop glaring at the dude lapping up the peppermint-and-choc-chip ice-cream; just because his flavour inclusion has somewhat limited yours. They still sell your ice-cream, you can still buy it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Kamikaze10 View Post
    I somewhat agree.
    I think the X-titles have gotten passed tokenism when it comes to diversity. I mean, the line-ups are diverse, even if it's very female heavy.
    Which is really thanks to Claremont. The X-verse probably always will be female heavy, to counter the male heavy Avengers. It's only fair. The complaints the X-verse has too few black male X-men... but the counter is the Avengers have too few black FEMALE Avengers. Falcon, Luke Cage, T'Challa, Centurius... where are the black women??? Monica's getting a one issue guest-star, but she's not been an Avenger for years. So six of one, half a dozen of the other. Can't win them all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Kamikaze10 View Post
    However, inclusion and acceptance have been an issue, even though it was a story point to some degree. There are gaping holes in the male end of said diversity. And frankly, because of their mutant status overtaking everything else, the diversity has always come off as lip service because it really doesn't inform the stories as much as they should. Numerous examples have been brought up time and time again.
    The problem is "mutant oppression" trumps all others, in the story of the X-verse. As it should; it's kind of their thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    I frequent escorts...if you look at that field, it is the epitome of capitalism...primarly cash only, the money goes to the person directly, and if you do your job well, you will be rewarded

    if not, not so much
    If it were up to me New York State would legalize Prostitution, Medical Marijuana and MMA.

    Just for the Tax Revenue alone.

    When you factor in the increase in tourism....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Vega View Post
    If it were up to me New York State would legalize Prostitution, Medical Marijuana and MMA.

    Just for the Tax Revenue alone.

    When you factor in the increase in tourism....
    NY has a great hobby scene...if you can afford it..way too much upselling

    here in CT its pretty decent as we get girls from Mass and NY that travel through
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost View Post
    Which is really thanks to Claremont. The X-verse probably always will be female heavy, to counter the male heavy Avengers. It's only fair. The complaints the X-verse has too few black male X-men... but the counter is the Avengers have too few black FEMALE Avengers. Falcon, Luke Cage, T'Challa, Centurius... where are the black women??? Monica's getting a one issue guest-star, but she's not been an Avenger for years. So six of one, half a dozen of the other. Can't win them all.
    There's too few of a lot of things in the Avengers. However, the X-Men gets flack because they lost the diversity they once had though it's slowly coming back, and said diversity is a "big part of their story" (though I'd argue that it's not), unlike the Avengers until Uncanny (and that team is a can of worms I don't want to open right now).


    The problem is "mutant oppression" trumps all others, in the story of the X-verse. As it should; it's kind of their thing.
    And frankly, that is not only a flaw in the X-Men concept, but it's a big reason why I consider the X-Men outdated.

    The theme to me, is no longer about inclusion, acceptance, and agency. Instead, it is about assimilation on one side and supremacy on the other. Neither of which work if we are still calling the X-Men an analogy of the discriminated minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    NY has a great hobby scene...if you can afford it..way too much upselling

    here in CT its pretty decent as we get girls from Mass and NY that travel through
    And Jersey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Kamikaze10 View Post
    And Jersey.
    yes..there is a group of three girls from Jersey that are in CT a few times a year...have not had a chance to partake, but reviews are good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Vega View Post
    Who are you, again?
    You are correct - this is an existential quandary of some major proportion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespianphryne View Post
    You are correct - this is an existential quandary of some major proportion.
    who are any of us?

    really?
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    Given how the Tony Harris thread is going I've noticed over his comments there's a few posters saying how they'll never buy a book from him again and are largely going unchallenged but here when others say they're not buying a comic based on reasons of lack of diversity/etc and suddenly you are being narrow minded and etc.

    Harris makes a sexist statement and folks gather to support but others do borderline to blatant racist things and don't even get so much as a peep, I might be wrong and think that not a lot of fandom know about the group of racist people who have/had positions of power at Marvel/DC and have kept people of color out of jobs as well as blocking/destroying the use of characters of color. I wonder if those people were to be outed how many fans would we see start posting that they'd never buy a book from that person if like the mentioned Harris if a personal transgression had been made public( other then the folks who post here )?

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