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    Default In story Retcons..how do you feel about them?

    I have seen a trend lately where a story event happens where there is an in story retcon like for example in X-men Legacy at the end he somehow traveled back in time and removed himself from history at least to the point where his father was killed and then somehow put himself inside his girlfriends head.

    Or where Mephisto reversed time and eliminated all of JMS's Spider-man work and even the marriage.

    Hell you could even say the whole nu52 was an in story retcon of sorts even tho it merged with a bunch of other different universes to create a new universe Flash decidedly tried to go back to the universe he was from and in so doing eliminated the post Crisis era somewhat.


    This seems to me noticeably different from regular retcons and i'm kind of hoping it doesn't become too trendy or popular.

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    it's cheap, lazy, and a biproduct of the unreasonable expectation of a monthly ongoing in a huge shared universe of monthly ongoings where nobody ever ages, all of them passing from writer to writer countless times over the course of 50 years or more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dupont2005 View Post
    it's cheap, lazy, and a biproduct of the unreasonable expectation of a monthly ongoing in a huge shared universe of monthly ongoings where nobody ever ages, all of them passing from writer to writer countless times over the course of 50 years or more.
    As cynical as that sounds i can't really disagree with it.

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    Well, sometimes retcons are used to create great stories (Bruce Wayne and Batman had a kid, Captain America didn't survive WWII but got frozen in ice instead). Sometimes they are used to undo great stories (Black Widow forgets all memories of loving Bucky, Spider-Man: One More Day).
    And of course they are also used to create terrible stories or undo great ones.

    You basically have to take them on a case by case basis.

    It's the nature of infinitely ongoing comics though that eventually you'll get a retcon that's bad enough to make you drop the book. Or at least that's how I react to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dupont2005 View Post
    it's cheap, lazy, and a biproduct of the unreasonable expectation of a monthly ongoing in a huge shared universe of monthly ongoings where nobody ever ages, all of them passing from writer to writer countless times over the course of 50 years or more.
    I wouldn't say they're necessarily cheap or lazy (although they certainly can be). They're more of an inevitability if you're going to have monthly ongoings in a huge shared universe of monthly ongoings where nobody ever ages, all of them passing from writer to writer countless times over the course of 50 years or more.
    'The marquis. Well, you know, to be honest, he seems a little bit dodgy to me.'
    'Mm,' she agreed. 'He's a little bit dodgy in the same way that rats are a little bit covered in fur."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonofspam View Post
    I have seen a trend lately where a story event happens where there is an in story retcon like for example in X-men Legacy at the end he somehow traveled back in time and removed himself from history at least to the point where his father was killed and then somehow put himself inside his girlfriends head.

    Or where Mephisto reversed time and eliminated all of JMS's Spider-man work and even the marriage.

    Hell you could even say the whole nu52 was an in story retcon of sorts even tho it merged with a bunch of other different universes to create a new universe Flash decidedly tried to go back to the universe he was from and in so doing eliminated the post Crisis era somewhat.
    I don't count it as a retcon, personally, if there's an in-story reality change or alteration of history.

    People in the DCU couldn't stop referencing Crisis on Infinite Earths as an event almost as soon as the series was over. The deal with Mephisto, to me, is the same as any reality-altering or memory-changing that Mephisto has done, and he has done it before, on smaller and larger scales.

    Those things leave the continuity intact, they just loop back at some point, in time, and create a new branch, same way the end of Back to the Future isn't a retcon of the beginning, it's just that things were done to change reality in-story.

    Once you've accepted reality-changers, time travel, and alternate realities into the equation, it seems like this stuff's going to happen on occasion.

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    I kind of wish they would age but then we would probably end up with something like John Byrne's generations comic which was too much continuity porn for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonofspam View Post
    I kind of wish they would age but then we would probably end up with something like John Byrne's generations comic which was too much continuity porn for me.
    Aging works in some comics. But, nobody should have fifty year-old Peter Parker be their first Spider-Man. Charlie Brown, at thirty, is going to be a different guy or hella depressing. Lois Lane, 100 years after her birth, either a really old woman in a robot body, cloned, or dead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T Hedge Coke View Post
    Aging works in some comics. But, nobody should have fifty year-old Peter Parker be their first Spider-Man. Charlie Brown, at thirty, is going to be a different guy or hella depressing. Lois Lane, 100 years after her birth, either a really old woman in a robot body, cloned, or dead...
    I would give my right eye tooth for a 40 year old Charlie Brown !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ood Omega View Post
    Well so much for that idea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonofspam View Post
    Well so much for that idea...
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    Is Charlie's... date supposed to be anybody?
    'The marquis. Well, you know, to be honest, he seems a little bit dodgy to me.'
    'Mm,' she agreed. 'He's a little bit dodgy in the same way that rats are a little bit covered in fur."

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    Depends on how you define retcon. Basically, any story that fills in history is a retcon (it is retroactive continuity), whether it alters anything or not.

    As for alterations, there are good ones and there are bad ones, each weighed on its own.

    But they truly are a necessity.
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    Is Charlie's... date supposed to be anybody?
    She's never named... just some crackwhore he ended up with after supplying Snoopy and Woodstock with drugs for their fatal overdoses. He says he doesn't care about Woodstock, but Snoopy deserved better.
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    Don't have a hard stance on retcons. Sometimes they're great and sometimes they're shit. Take it on a case by case basis.
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