616 Becoming More Like Ultimate

[Codah]

So you believe you have the right to yell "BOMB!" on a plane?

That's not at all the same thing. That's a douche move that could physically harm people. Being told you can't say "nigger" is morality policing. People aren't always going to say nice things. I'm not racist and I would never use that word in anger but I believe I have the right to.

I'm not going to respond any further because this off topic. Sorry Plawsky, please don't hurt me.

[Apothecary]

That's not at all the same thing. That's a douche move that could physically harm people. Being told you can't say "nigger" is morality policing. People aren't always going to say nice things. I'm not racist and I would never use that word in anger but I believe I have the right to.

I'm not going to respond any further because this off topic. Sorry Plawsky, please don't hurt me.

It is the same thing as you said we should be able to say what we want without specifying. There is also nothing stopping anyone from saying nigger. Though when you do , you deserve that punch in the face.

It is off topic and that does not matter.

[Robbie_Jee]

It is the same thing as you said we should be able to say what we want without specifying. There is also nothing stopping anyone from saying nigger. Though when you do , you deserve that punch in the face.

It is off topic and that does not matter.

The difference is your not allowed to shout BOMB! at an airport because it's illegal.

And why does someone deserve a punch in the face because he's said that word? I'd understand if someone was called that, however. But not if the word was said. What if it was part of a Rap song?

[Ballard Blues]

The difference is your not allowed to shout BOMB! at an airport because it's illegal.

Black History 101:

The word is a key term in American culture. It is a profoundly hurtful racial slur meant to stigmatize African Americans; on occasion, it also has been used against members of other racial or ethnic groups, including Chinese, other Asians, East Indians, Arabs and darker-skinned people. It has been an important feature of many of the worst episodes of bigotry in American history. It has accompanied innumerable lynchings, beatings, acts of arson, and other racially motivated attacks upon blacks. It has also been featured in countless jokes and cartoons that both reflect and encourage the disparagement of blacks. It is the signature phrase of racial prejudice.

Bottom line is, its an offensive word, one that has been designated off-limits to white personal. Despite its use in Hip-Hop and Rap, there is never a safe time for white people to say it, least they want to be attacked by someone whom they won't know it will trigger in such a way Apothecary describes until they say it in front of them or to them. Believe me, I know non-POC people who've been attacked for saying it and they typically had the same flippant behavior toward word as Codah did.

[Robbie_Jee]

You're right. That's history. Nowadays we fight for equality.

[carabas]

"sticks and stones may make break my bones but words will never hurt me".

That's a filthy and insidious lie. Words do a lot more damage than sticks and stones. Kids kill themselves over words.

[Luck911]

Who cares if 616 becoming like UU,The UU has already transform it self into something different

[colej]

I don't mind the costume changes. I've always been a fan of the UU artwork and style. Just as long as Peter Parker doesn't get killed off in 616 like he does in Ultimate I'll be happy lol.

[Akelexre]

I'm not racist and I would never use that word in anger but I believe I have the right to.

And I, as a black person, have the right to not associate with you at all for using hateful words in either my presence and/or the presence of other black people. Everyone wins!

[Robbie_Jee]

And I, as a black person, have the right to not associate with you at all for using hateful words in either my presence and/or the presence of other black people. Everyone wins!

Wahooo!!

[Mutant God]

I dont like that 616 is becoming like the Ultimate Universe, I really dont like Marcus Johnson, The UU was supposed to be connected to the movieverse but someone had to create an Ultimatum and killed half the heroes heroes who either had more stories to tell or never got to have stories. so for me Marvel F'ed up

[geek1939]

And here's me thinking it was perfectly relevant to the discussion at hand. Don't you normally delete off-topic posts?

I'm still struggling to see what I've done wrong. Character design is much more thorough than that. I can offer a couple of websites if you like that are really full of vast information on character development. Do you thinking if I post them here it might speed up this debate a little quicker? There's a lot more I'd like to discuss regarding the subject. But I don't want to be banned for it, please. I meant no offence by it, I swear to you.

Okay, here's the thing. For the most part, you are talking about how the aesthetic makes characters more likable. That's undeniable. It could very well change how characters are perceived. However, this only starts to matter if it changes how they are actually written (at least, in terms of how similar they are to the Ultimate Universe). In the case of Hawkeye: sure, the movie's design made him more popular than if he had been in his classic look. However, this costume change did not change how the character was actually written. So, at least as of right now, a purely aesthetic change isn't going to affect how the characters are being handled. When they start getting characterized like their Ultimate counterparts, that is when the 616 will truly start to be more like the UU. I also find it unlikely that changing the aesthetic will cause the characterization to change, at least for the short term. Usually, the aesthetic is changed for characterization, not the other way around. Since the initial aesthetic changes haven't really changed characterization yet, I don't imagine they will any time soon.

As for the arguments about the "n-word"? Yes, everyone has the right to say it. No, it isn't appropriate in most contexts, especially for persons of different ethnic backgrounds. If you are ever referring to anyone by it, and you aren't a part of the black community (though I'm sure that it is offensive to certain people, even within the black community), you're being inconsiderate at best, a complete ass at worst. However, I see no problem with using the actual term when actually referring to the term, like in this discussion, or in an historical context. I still don't feel comfortable saying it, personally, but I don't see any moral issues. That being said, I'm not everyone, and everyone has different boundaries, so I prefer to play it safe. There is never any real need to use the term, so why should I offend someone just to prove that I'm not afraid to say it?