AvX #9 *Spoilers*

**Haquim** · 08-06-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Songbird/Diamondback

You kidding? We glorify that attitude! Characters who smash, murder, and destroy are thought as amazing. Ever play God of War with Kratos? Or Prototype? Or Grand Theft Auto? Why do you think some nut went out and shot people because he thought he was the Joker? Because we celebrate this bad murderous attitude. Everything you listed is what makes Hulk "COOL!!!"

But he will in the last issue. You saw the cover for that issue, right? Iron Man is not foolish.

He's beaten, but he's still treated like the biggest threat ever.

But he'll still be doing EVERYTHING in Marvel. Bad shit happens to EVERY CHARACTER, I don't get why Spider-Man has it worst because he misses an appointment.

You kidding? He's the Jesus of the Marvel U. Look at how highly he's treated during Siege onwards! Havok in charge is just a move to show that the Avengers aren't taking advantage of the X-men. And again, he'll probably lead the Avengers.

Same with Hulk. Killing and being a horrible person is glorified in this day and age.

I'm not hating the X-Men. I'm mad that everything, EVERYTHING the X-Men earned and achieved from House of M onwards is now thrown under a train for a team that barely is able to have an ongoing plotline. I'm serious, what has been the Avengers' plot since Heroic Age? It's just whack a mole with villains!

It's just Avengers circle jerk. The fact that you can't see this is annoying.

What I gather from your post:

-You don't read Incredible Hulk otherwise you'll know the psycotic one is BANNER as he's gone full mad scientist. Seriously, read the book, everything you said is just wrong if applied to Hulk at the moment!

-You can see the future. Iron Man failed and kept failing for the whole event (as in your "right now!!!" which is not "last issue) but you KNOW for certain he'll save the day and be the big time hero of the event. How do you know for certain Tony will save the day? Do you know how that will happen? Again, it's just you ranting about your bias imo.

-People who lose every fight they take part in are "untouchable" and "constantly portrayed in good light"...

-You don't get spider man. Spidey IS a character about bad luck and being the hero despite the fear and hate of the people he saves. That's what he does. And if he gets a moment to shine it's completely deserved, period.

-Cap has made a series of bad decisions and tactical mistakes. He's going to lose the leadership of the avengers to Havok. Yet according to you that's being treated like a saint...

-In your opinion Wolverine is treated very well because writers portray him as a violent character who generally does questionable things. This shows how you completely miss the fact most of those writers do not endorse his behaviour and show how questionable his character really is. But that's your fault, not theirs.

**Songbird/Diamondback** · 08-06-2012, 01:26 PM

-You don't read Incredible Hulk otherwise you'll know the psycotic one is BANNER as he's gone full mad scientist. Seriously, read the book, everything you said is just wrong if applied to Hulk at the moment!

Hulk is popular. Bruce Banner is not. DUH!

-You can see the future. Iron Man failed and kept failing for the whole event (as in your "right now!!!" which is not "last issue) but you KNOW for certain he'll save the day and be the big time hero of the event. How do you know for certain Tony will save the day? Do you know how that will happen? Again, it's just you ranting about your bias imo.

AvX 12's cover has a GIANT F-ING IRON MAN! Gee, I wonder if his plan will work.

-People who lose every fight they take part in are "untouchable" and "constantly portrayed in good light"...

Underdogs are always the good guys. Notice how Cap is always on the run?

-You don't get spider man. Spidey IS a character about bad luck and being the hero despite the fear and hate of the people he saves. That's what he does. And if he gets a moment to shine it's completely deserved, period.

Thing is, so many other heroes get screwed over. Constantly. I don't see you saying they should get their time to shine when many never do and they die before that happens.

-Cap has made a series of bad decisions and tactical mistakes. He's going to lose the leadership of the avengers to Havok. Yet according to you that's being treated like a saint...

Because he's not going to lose leadership. He's not doing anything wrong, and he's willingly giving the leadership to Havok as a sign of good faith. I mean, come on, the guy is leading SHIELD.

-In your opinion Wolverine is treated very well because writers portray him as a violent character who generally does questionable things. This shows how you completely miss the fact most of those writers do not endorse his behaviour and show how questionable his character really is. But that's your fault, not theirs.

Wolverine wouldn't even be popular if he didn't kill. You think the gamers out there who love him even though they don't read comics like him because of his leadership skills?

**mikekerrIII** · 08-06-2012, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by XPac

Sure it'll be a victory... but it'll be a victory battling alongside the X-Men (the good ones at least). And it'll likley be a victory achieved via Hope, also an X-Men. I think it's written in a way which allows both teams to "win" to some degree.

The results look to be the X-men premise getting gutted even farther and Avengers being dominant.

What you call the good X-men I think many X-men fans would call traitors. I hate good being defined by how much you kiss a Avengers asses

**Songbird/Diamondback** · 08-06-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by mikekerrIII

The results look to be the X-men premise getting gutted even farther and Avengers being dominant.

What you call the good X-men I think many X-men fans would call traitors. I hate good being defined by how much you kiss a Avengers asses

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!

And these good X-Men? Let's see, Wolverine, Kitty, Ice Man, basically all the characters who are smug all the time.

**mikekerrIII** · 08-06-2012, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Haquim

The avengers didn't dominate the event. They have been the losing side for most of it. And when the X-Men were phoenix-less they didn't fare badly against the Avengers. On the contrary, things were mostly even, or favored the X-Men! So sorry, but your premise is actually false.

As for the avengers "being right", it's not so: the Avengers are as culpable as the X-men for what happened. They reacted poorly and took some idiotic meausres that worsened the situation, while the X-men were willing to bet the fate of the world on the (slim) chance that they were going to be able to control the PF.

The X-books are getting gutted, and do you think that there is any chance the Avengers will ever realize how badly they F'd up or pay any price for it at all?

**mikekerrIII** · 08-06-2012, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by XPac

You're seeing Wolverine and Xavier too.

The slaver and the traitor are not X-men anymore

**mikekerrIII** · 08-06-2012, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Hariel0079

Still arguable, but given the situation can you blame him?

Wolverine has his own X-men and it's growing

As of the Last issue of WAXMhis team is comprised solely of himself. His team joined Cyke

**mikekerrIII** · 08-06-2012, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Songbird/Diamondback

It's just Avengers circle jerk. The fact that you can't see this is annoying.

Quoted becasue it is so damned true.

**PwrdOff** · 08-06-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by mikekerrIII

The slaver and the traitor are not X-men anymore

Well by the end of the event, pretty much every one of the X-Men will be joining forces with the Avengers against Cyclops. Does this mean that the only real X-Book possible would be a Cyclops solo?

**Songbird/Diamondback** · 08-06-2012, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by PwrdOff

Well by the end of the event, pretty much every one of the X-Men will be joining forces with the Avengers against Cyclops. Does this mean that the only real X-Book possible would be a Cyclops solo?

It's just a poorly handled event for those who just didn't like Cyclops.

Whatever, Avengers and X-Men are together post the event (Ah hem, I mean, Avengers and Aaron's X-Men).

**Goldgeller** · 08-06-2012, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by PwrdOff

Well by the end of the event, pretty much every one of the X-Men will be joining forces with the Avengers against Cyclops. Does this mean that the only real X-Book possible would be a Cyclops solo?

We are going to have a Storm Black Panther fight, and Wanda and Hope will fight. Why would they fight? I'm thinking the twist before the end is big. I don't think the Phoenix Force unites everyone against Cyclops. I think it will be Avengers vs X-men until the end. Remember that Hope was still supposed to have the Phoenix-- and restart mutants. I don't think Scott's the only mutant who wants that to happen.

I think when he loses the Phoenix force I think the Avengers and X-men will still go at it for "control" over the Phoenix Force.

**mikekerrIII** · 08-06-2012, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by PwrdOff

Well by the end of the event, pretty much every one of the X-Men will be joining forces with the Avengers against Cyclops. Does this mean that the only real X-Book possible would be a Cyclops solo?

They made the decison when facts showed that the P5 were going nuts,

Beast and Logan apparently made theirs because they were Avengers, they did so at a time when it made no sense for them to do so, even though they knew about the connection beteen ween Hope, fixing Wanda's genocide and the PF.

**Sunstorm** · 08-06-2012, 02:23 PM

How can any of the X-Men who choses to side with the Avengers be branded as traitors? All because they don't want to go down with the sinking ship. If anything they're doing this for mutant kind, since the P5 don't have it's best intentions.

**marvell2100** · 08-06-2012, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Songbird/Diamondback

I'm just saying, they did an event called "Avengers vs. X-men", and Wolverine, THE most famous X-men, is with the Avengers the whole time.

I bet it's because they don't want to upset majority of their fans with "Wolverine is wrong?!"

It's not a matter of making the X-Men look like villains. It's a matter of the power of the Phoenix corrupting people who were never supposed to have that power. They had the best intentions but they failed to understand or grasp what they could actually do. They were cosmic entities with human comprehension. And if you wanted to see the Avenger look bad, then just reread, Civil War and Secret Invasion.

**Lascoden** · 08-06-2012, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by marvell2100

It's not a matter of making the X-Men look like villains. It's a matter of the power of the Phoenix corrupting people who were never supposed to have that power. They had the best intentions but they failed to understand or grasp what they could actually do. They were cosmic entities with human comprehension. And if you wanted to see the Avenger look bad, then just reread, Civil War and Secret Invasion.

Civil War I get, but how did the Avengers come off looking bad in SI? I really don't remember them doing much, tbh.