Fleshing out the Spider-Family

[chastmastr]

I think that MC2 Spider-Girl is better off in her own universe.

Oh, that goes without saying. I'm talking about bringing her comic back. :) I'd gladly buy it again, but I don't know if Tom DeFalco is DC-exclusive now.

[Darthfury78]

Oh, that goes without saying. I'm talking about bringing her comic back. :) I'd gladly buy it again, but I don't know if Tom DeFalco is DC-exclusive now.

To be honest: I liked MC2's Spider-Girl comic as well. At least in her timeline, Marvel didn't try to rewrite her out of existence as they have done with the Earth-616 counterpart. And Peter x Mary Jane were still happily married. The only problem that I had with the series was the fact that everything revolved in Spider-Man's world and his rogue galleries. It might have been nice to have seen The Black Widow, Jessica Drew, and Julia Carpenter took a more active role in the series as her mentors respectively. And it might have been a good idea to have seen Mayday begin her Freshman year in college as well. What would have made the series interesting as well was the fact that Felicity Hardy might be her half-sister when Felicia Hardy came to talk to Mary Jane rather than reveal that she was in a lesbian relationship. Especially if Felicia told Peter and Mary Jane that Felicity's Spider-Powers were emerging and wanted to talk to them about it.

That alone might have kept the readers glued to the series as Peter would have been tired to Felicia Hardy once again through their love child that she chose to keep a secret until that moment. Then we would have gotten two versions of Spider-Girl who does things that are vastly different from the other.

[chastmastr]

Er... wouldn't that have made Peter an adulterer?

[Russell]

I don't like the idea of a big 'Spider Family' or even Spider-Man being on the Avengers, but the franchise is probably in the best position it has ever been to have these spin-off titles.

I don't think it is necessary to compare these characters to the Batman ones (and Nightwing isn't exactly like Kaine!)

If Marvel wanted a few more titles, I'd add:

Spider-Girl (set in a rebooted MC2 universe, inspired but not written by DeFalco).
Black Cat or Spider-Woman
Peter Parker: Spider-Man (A cinematic series by new creative teams, where the stories aren't necessarily in continuity, but aren't obviously out of it either. Similar to Untold Tales. Each arc is standalone and can be from various points in Spidey's history, he can even be married and to cash in on the new movie, maybe Gwen can know his secret in some stories).

Plus keep Venom, Amazing and Scarlet. Avenging I can take or leave, though it could be a good move to re-brand it Spider-Man/Captain Marvel.

[chastmastr]

Spider-Girl (set in a rebooted MC2 universe, inspired but not written by DeFalco).

... wait, why rebooted? That would miss the whole point of the MC2 universe, wouldn't it?

[Darthfury78]

How would you guys feel if they fleshed out the Spider-Family a bit more like the Bat-Family? By that, I mean give each character an on-going series.

Spider-man - Batman
Spider-girl - Batgirl
Black Cat - Catwoman
Venom - ???
??? - Red Hood
Scarlet Spider - Nightwing?
??? - Batwoman
Madame Web - ???

To answer your question, the follow is as goes in my opinion:

Spider-man - Batman
Spider-girl - Batgirl
Black Cat - Catwoman
Venom - Bane
The Black Widow - Red Hood
Scarlet Spider - Nightwing?
Spider-Woman - Batwoman
Madame Web - Oracle

Er... wouldn't that have made Peter an adulterer?

As you well know, Peter was in a serious relationship with Felicia Hardy before he married Mary Jane in the MC2 universe. Thus, she might have kept his sperm sample and placed it in a sperm bank. Felicia never forgave MJ for taking Peter away from her. Thus, I wouldn't have put it pass her if she actually wanted to have Peter's child without him knowing about it. That might have made some of Spider-Girl's stories interesting to read about.

[Darthfury78]

... wait, why rebooted? That would miss the whole point of the MC2 universe, wouldn't it?

I agree. I feel that if anyone wants to use Mayday Parker, they only have to use the Earth-9997 version. Why go with a rebooted MC2 universe when you can simply use the Earth-X version of her.

Here is the Earth-X version of Mayday:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com...-or-Spidergirl

[chastmastr]

As you well know, Peter was in a serious relationship with Felicia Hardy before he married Mary Jane in the MC2 universe. Thus, she might have kept his sperm sample and placed it in a sperm bank. Felicia never forgave MJ for taking Peter away from her. Thus, I wouldn't have put it pass her if she actually wanted to have Peter's child without him knowing about it. That might have made some of Spider-Girl's stories interesting to read about.

Ah, that would be a way to do it without any cheating going on. I thought Mayday's stories were interesting to read before, actually--and I loved the other parts of the MC-2 line when they were available.

[Darthfury78]

Ah, that would be a way to do it without any cheating going on. I thought Mayday's stories were interesting to read before, actually--and I loved the other parts of the MC-2 line when they were available.

I would say that MC2 was Tom Defalco's universe. He could have combine elements from past future timeline stories like The X-Men's days of futures past characters who appeared in X-Men #141 and #142 in the MC2 timeline since May Parker's story was to begin around the year 2013. I think that a huge opportunity was missed in making MC2 as interesting as the Ultimate Universe, but without the constant killing off of the characters. Another thing that he could have done was bring in some of the past characters from the New Universe story line from the 1980s like Spitfire and the Troubleshooters along with bringing over her alternate reality half-sister from the Marvel 2020 Universe who might be the alternate reality daughter of Peter Parker and Jessica Drew from her world:

[chastmastr]

I would say that MC2 was Tom Defalco's universe.

Yes! :)

He could have combine elements from past future timeline stories like The X-Men's days of futures past characters who appeared in X-Men #141 and #142 in the MC2 timeline since May Parker's story was to begin around the year 2013.

Er... why? Heck, one could see May's universe as the one in which all of that was finally averted. We did see what was up with various X-characters--Wolverine and Elektra had married, for example. While mutants were not totally accepted in society, they were much more so than in the past, which I thought was a great thing: Xavier's dream finally was made real. Part of the appeal for me of the MC-2 universe was it was a positive future, and not a tragic dystopia.

I think that a huge opportunity was missed in making MC2 as interesting as the Ultimate Universe

I found it vastly more interesting than the Ultimate Universe, myself.

Another thing that he could have done was bring in some of the past characters from the New Universe story line from the 1980s like Spitfire and the Troubleshooters along with bringing over her alternate reality half-sister from the Marvel 2020 Universe who might be the alternate reality daughter of Peter Parker and Jessica Drew from her world:

Well, May visiting various worlds could be interesting but I would not radically change her actual universe per se. To me that would defeat the whole point of the MC-2 world altogether--especially if it were in some negative way.

[Darthfury78]

Yes! :)



Er... why? Heck, one could see May's universe as the one in which all of that was finally averted. We did see what was up with various X-characters--Wolverine and Elektra had married, for example. While mutants were not totally accepted in society, they were much more so than in the past, which I thought was a great thing: Xavier's dream finally was made real. Part of the appeal for me of the MC-2 universe was it was a positive future, and not a tragic dystopia.

When I talk about the characters from Days of Future's Past, I was referring to age of the characters not the actual timeline that was the tragic dystopia. I was implying that we could have seen the X-Men characters as to how they would have looked today in 2013 from the perspective of the character's age in 1980. Thus, I was referring to the appearance of the characters age in real time up to the start of the Spider-Girl series. Thus, we could have seen Rachel Summers born to Scott and Jean Summers in Mayday's timeline. As well as the marriage to Kitty x Colossus from the John Bryne and Chris Claremont 1980's perspective of their view of 2013 MU time line. I hope I have cleared this matter up.

Well, May visiting various worlds could be interesting but I would not radically change her actual universe per se. To me that would defeat the whole point of the MC-2 world altogether--especially if it were in some negative way.

Mayday would not be visiting other worlds. I was implying that some of the characters that were originally presented in Marvel's New Universe line-up could be integrated into MC2, meaning that they were always in the same universe but was under a separate brand. And I only pointed out that Spitfire and the Troubleshooters and Merc could be part of MC2 Universe. As for Spider-Girl 2020, it would be nice to have seen her make a crossover to Mayday world as part of the Exiles team, but might choose to remain in Mayday's world. Nothing would change the MC2 Universe timeline.

By the way, did you check out the link that I provided for you to look at on post #22?

[chastmastr]

Ah, I see! Yes, that would be much better. :)

Re the link, I have seen it now, but since I read all of the Earth/Paradise/Etc. X series, I did know who she was. :) (I found the Earth X series an interesting read but I don't really care for the universe; it was kind of the ultimate "everything you know is a lie!" story, except about every single thing and character in the Marvel Universe.)

[Darthfury78]

Ah, I see! Yes, that would be much better. :)

Re the link, I have seen it now, but since I read all of the Earth/Paradise/Etc. X series, I did know who she was. :) (I found the Earth X series an interesting read but I don't really care for the universe; it was kind of the ultimate "everything you know is a lie!" story, except about every single thing and character in the Marvel Universe.)

With regards to Earth-X, I am sure that they could have made the series much better than they did, The only part that I liked was Mayday's control of Venom and her relationship with her father because of it. She and her father are the two characters who could be used once again in a revised version of the Earth-X series that would be much better than the original. The one thing that they never did with that series was feature Betty Brant as his wife years after the death of Mary Jane. Imagine Betty and Peter raising Mayday Parker.

[Russell]

... wait, why rebooted? That would miss the whole point of the MC2 universe, wouldn't it?

Possibly but that universe seems finished and there are 130+ issues of Spider-Girl out that could hinder a new reader.

A new Spider-Girl, or even one loosely in continuity with the old one but with her college age or something, could become successful again.

[chastmastr]

Well, it's not really "finished" any more than 616 or the Ultimate universe are. And for 616, there are thousands and thousands of issues of that universe that could hinder a new reader--and yet somehow they don't... ;)

A "new" Spider-Girl per se would be in yet another universe, which would defeat the purpose of her being the MC-2 one altogether.

Now jumping her to college age, especially if it were by Tom DeFalco, would be cool.