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    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight lad View Post
    Further diversity: Firebird is a devout Catholic and incapable of dying from radiation or poison. Red Wolf is a Viet Nam vet(sliding timescale be damned; his squad killed Bengal's village) and a servant of Owayodata. And the late Phantom Rider might have been a Later Day Saint (Mockingbird found his mortal identity through the Mormon Genealogy Directory).

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    Where was this established, about red Wolf and bengal? have they ever fought?
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    Quote Originally Posted by protege View Post
    Where was this estblished, about red Wolf and bengal? have they ever fought?
    Well, it wasn't exactly a fight. In an issue of Marvel Comics Presents (blanking on the issue, but I think it was in the first 10), a severely injured Will Talltrees is in surgery, having been ambushed and beaten by Bengal. He then has a face-to-face talk with Owayodata, confronts his guilt about his past (Will didn't kill anyone, but I think he flew the chopper), and rededicates himself to being a better Red Wolf. He also gets a new Lobo pup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight lad View Post
    Well, it wasn't exactly a fight. In an issue of Marvel Comics Presents (blanking on the issue, but I think it was in the first 10), a severely injured Will Talltrees is in surgery, having been ambushed and beaten by Bengal. He then has a face-to-face talk with Owayodata, confronts his guilt about his past (Will didn't kill anyone, but I think he flew the chopper), and rededicates himself to being a better Red Wolf. He also gets a new Lobo pup.

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    So why isn't he on this team of Rangers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by protege View Post
    So why isn't he on this team of Rangers?
    Who's to say he isn't? They only showed up for the last page, hovering outside the window of the penthouse office of a Roxxon official. Only the flying members made that panel.
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    Er... wouldn't that Vietnam-specific matter be from a comic from 1989? That's 23 years ago. I'm not sure there's any way Red Wolf could be that old now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RolandJP View Post
    Will see what the reaction is to Marvel NOW with MArcus in the Fury role.
    Doubtful. Marcus Fury isn't liked now, I don't see how that will change with NOW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RolandJP View Post
    Will see what the reaction is to Marvel NOW with MArcus in the Fury role.
    And the only retcon for Nick Fury Jr. is that Nick had a kid out of wedlock. Nick Fury Sr. has otherwise not been retconned at all.

    (Did that whole "SHIELD is part of HYDRA" thing ever get resolved? Now, that was a retcon I thought to be silly and awful...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion_Quest View Post
    Well, why would you think that?
    Because he only appeared in a few panels in a scene that was played purely for laughs and wasn't used since (not even by Slott). That scene (at least to me) smacked of making fun of the character.

    What makes you think that Dan Slott a) dislikes the LL character or b) Wanted to take a pot shot Roy Thomas by making a character he created gay or c) that either writer would consider making a character gay automatically would be an insult anyway?
    (a) See my above comment (b) I never said that he wanted to or was trying to take a pot shot at Roy, however I am saying that he indirectly and unintentionally is insulting Roy by making fun of LL and (c) see my previous posts.

    What would give you the idea for your mind reading in this way?
    Again, see my previous posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chastmastr View Post
    Important correction: Magneto's Jewish ethnicity is not a personal choice.
    Well it could be a choice if he and his family converted to Judaism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade X View Post
    Well it could be a choice if he and his family converted to Judaism.
    Which is why I said "ethnicity" and not "theology." :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chastmastr View Post
    (Did that whole "SHIELD is part of HYDRA" thing ever get resolved? Now, that was a retcon I thought to be silly and awful...)
    I thought that I was the only one who thought that was a stupid and awful retcon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chastmastr View Post
    Which is why I said "ethnicity" and not "theology." :)
    Yeah I know. I was just pointing out that it might be possible that he wasn't an ethnic Jew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade X View Post
    Yeah I know. I was just pointing out that it might be possible that he wasn't an ethnic Jew.
    . . . only marginally. Possibly microscopically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade X View Post
    Because he only appeared in a few panels in a scene that was played purely for laughs and wasn't used since (not even by Slott). That scene (at least to me) smacked of making fun of the character.
    (a) See my above comment (b) I never said that he wanted to or was trying to take a pot shot at Roy, however I am saying that he indirectly and unintentionally is insulting Roy by making fun of LL and (c) see my previous posts.
    Again, see my previous posts.
    There was nothing going on in making fun of a character there. It was lighthearted, but he simply thought that the GLA was the gay/lesbian alliance and when they weren't, he left. The whole mini had this tone; the idea that no one wants to join the GLA - it wasn't a dig at LL, but at the GLA.

    And it has been referenced that LL is gay since, in Avengers Academy 5

    I see no reason to think Slott has anything against LL unless you believe making him gay was insulting. I really can't see what difference that makes, so I cant see any insult. Unless Thomas himself has indicated he is remotely insulted, I'm afraid that I consider that to be totally spurious and poor reasoning.

    While I do appreciate your view in regards how a characters original writer may come up with that character, you can see my previous posts as to how I feel original writers original concepts have to change else everything gets old fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight lad View Post
    Further diversity: Firebird is a devout Catholic and incapable of dying from radiation or poison. Red Wolf is a Viet Nam vet(sliding timescale be damned; his squad killed Bengal's village) and a servant of Owayodata. And the late Phantom Rider might have been a Later Day Saint (Mockingbird found his mortal identity through the Mormon Genealogy Directory).

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    Eh, the Mormons keep very extensive genealogy records of Mormons and non-Mormons alike. I wouldn't say that's necessarily a clue to the Rider's religious background.
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