Linkara Finally reviews OMD

[CyberHubbs]

OMD sucked in 2007 and it sucks now.

That's fine. I still like it.

[CyberHubbs]

he doesnt gain money just cause you hit on his page or video, it doesnt work like that, on any site

and its ok if you only want positive talk about the comics, but as someone who has seen the video, i can tell you that he is actually very objective about why it sucks

I specially love the ending of the video where he basically is offer by TGWTG to erase OMD from existence and he rejects it cause as he points out the biggest sin of it, is simply that is lazy, that Quesada took the easy route out to make this changes, and erasing OMD would just once again take the easy route, the best solution would be to work with that and to let the characters grow

so if you stay ontopic, without even seeing the video, do you think he is wrong on that?

Without getting into a debate, I don't think it's lazy. Disjointed certainly, but I think that's because Quesada's ending is different than what JMS was building up to. I've heard people argue for Peter and MJ's JotP being unlicensed and therefore their marriage becoming void. Whoo. Exciting.

As for letting the characters grow, no. Well, yes, but on one condition. If Peter and MJ have a kid, that child is ugly. Like, fugly. None of that baby seal nonsense. Otherwise, I'm all for Peter growing up as much as I'm for Batman getting old and retiring. I'm all for the illusion. None of these characters are mine, no matter how much I grew up with them. If Marvel wants to keep Peter at a certain age for the next generation, then by all means have at it. This is entertainment and I am routinely entertained. That is all I ask for.

[Kevinroc]

I think there's a lot of lazy writing in this story.

Dr. Strange can't heal a bullet wound but has crazy magic time spells? And he even has a healing spell that he uses on Peter (but claims he can't cure May because "magical cures for magical ills," which is later proven to be a crock in OMIT when he casts a healing spell on MJ after an assassin tried to kill her and her Aunt Anna).

And this is without getting into that Dr. Strange actually was a surgeon and didn't think to consult or use his magic to take over another doctor or any crazy thing like that.

Meanwhile, Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Hank Pym, Hank McCoy, T'Challa, Doctor Octopus and Doctor Doom can't do anything to help May. Freaking Dr. Doom can't help. (And this is without having Doom being able to lord it over Reed that he did what Reed couldn't, which is often depicted as Dr. Doom's motivation.)

And this is without getting into Mephisto and his deal. Really, the first thing Spidey should have done after Mephisto made his offer is to call Dr. Doom and tell him that "not only can Reed not do this, but Mephisto is offering to save my aunt." Doom would be saving Aunt May so fast you would think he stole the Silver Surfer's powers again.

[Kevin Nichols]

A couple of things.

1.) Everything about Linkara is subjective. It's his review, so he reads the story and he offers his interpretation of the events and his opinions on them. That's what subjective means.

2.) Why is Hubbs posting in this thread? Because it's a thread about Linkara and he is posting his opinions about Linkara.

3.) Those of you moaning about the "Linkara hate", just stop. Please just stop. It's OK to go into every other thread and whine about how much you dislike OMD, but it's not OK for someone to come in here and whine about how much he dislikes Linkara? Oy vey.

4.) I will not watch this video because I've already heard his opinions on OMD, and I don't expect they've changed much. And I find his character to be very annoying. I don't dig "nerd rage".

5.) Linkara does sport a cool hat.

[CyberHubbs]

I'm sure a great many things could have happened. Galactus could have healed May. She was one of his heralds once-upon-a-time, right?

Anyway, I don't think it was the bullet that was causing the problems. If I remember correctly, they removed it from May. BUT, that's all I'll say on it because I just refuse to argue OMD. Was it a perfect story? Nah. But it had several elements that I liked.

[CyberHubbs]

A couple of things.

1.) Everything about Linkara is subjective. It's his review, so he reads the story and he offers his interpretation of the events and his opinions on them. That's what subjective means.

2.) Why is Hubbs posting in this thread? Because it's a thread about Linkara and he is posting his opinions about Linkara.

3.) Those of you moaning about the "Linkara hate", just stop. Please just stop. It's OK to go into every other thread and whine about how much you dislike OMD, but it's not OK for someone to come in here and whine about how much he dislikes Linkara? Oy vey.

4.) I will not watch this video because I've already heard his opinions on OMD, and I don't expect they've changed much. And I find his character to be very annoying. I don't dig "nerd rage".

5.) Linkara does sport a cool hat.

This guy. This guy right here. (Works better if you say it with a New Yowka accent.)

[ArnoldoAAD]

Without getting into a debate, I don't think it's lazy. Disjointed certainly, but I think that's because Quesada's ending is different than what JMS was building up to. I've heard people argue for Peter and MJ's JotP being unlicensed and therefore their marriage becoming void. Whoo. Exciting.

he does mention that issues 3 & 4 are heavily re-written but that basically issues 1-3 are completely pointless to the whole story, and he is right, you need to understand that he analyzed everything here, every scene every important dialog, and at the end of the day those issue dont really let up to breaking up their marriage nor they build up to anything

and how can it not be lazy, he really pounded hard on that scene where he goes to Dr Strange
Aunt May was shot, thats it, she JUST was shot, with a normal bullet, and Dr Strange cant do anything about it, and then helps him contact Mr Fantastic and Black Panther and Doctor Doom, and not of them can do anything at all
a normal bullet wound, we she is old but really!

thats lazy writing right there

As for letting the characters grow, no. Well, yes, but on one condition. If Peter and MJ have a kid, that child is ugly. Like, fugly. None of that baby seal nonsense.

what are you talking about, who is talking about that?

Otherwise, I'm all for Peter growing up as much as I'm for Batman getting old and retiring. I'm all for the illusion. None of these characters are mine, no matter how much I grew up with them. If Marvel wants to keep Peter at a certain age for the next generation, then by all means have at it. This is entertainment and I am routinely entertained. That is all I ask for.

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you completely lost me here, what are you talking about?

What linkara said is basically a realization of all that this book did goes beyond just going back to the status quo but to allow him to mentally grow up
he is an adult but he is being written as he has never left highschool he works in the same way he always has but without actually being mature

Peter Parker was such a great character cause you could relate to him, his readers were kids and teens and they could relate to him cause he was the same, but that readership has grown, those readers have grown up, they got married and have kids and lost ppl, and Peter is going back and stuck in as a 25yo kid with no responsibility for his actions

its probably the strongest argument in the entire review im just paraphrasing it

but if really dont want to see it, i really dont see the point on you keeping discussing it only cause you dont like what he might say cause "the kool-aid man is red" and thats it

[Kevinroc]

It's far too contrived and makes the Marvel Universe look pathetic that they can't do anything. The answer was simple. And Linkara even said what they should have done.

"Dr. Strange was out and Peter doesn't have time to get a hold of everybody to ask for their help before May dies."

Boom. That would have solved a major problem with the story and could still emphasize how desperate Peter was.

[Kevin Nichols]

It's far too contrived and makes the Marvel Universe look pathetic that they can't do anything. The answer was simple. And Linkara even said what they should have done.

"Dr. Strange was out and Peter doesn't have time to get a hold of everybody to ask for their help before May dies."

Boom. That would have solved a major problem with the story and could still emphasize how desperate Peter was.

It's really easy for someone to say what Marvel should have done. End of the day, Linkara is not a professional comic book creator. You can not like a story, but it takes a lot of balls to say that a professional writer is lazy just because you didn't like a particular story (I know you didn't say that, Kev. Just making a generalization.)

It's like me saying that if the Packers had just listened to me and benched Randall Cobb they would have won the Super Bowl last year. Just because I love the team and the game doesn't mean I know a damn thing about how it works.

[ArnoldoAAD]

A couple of things.

1.) Everything about Linkara is subjective. It's his review, so he reads the story and he offers his interpretation of the events and his opinions on them. That's what subjective means.

I dont think you really understand how reviews work
or forums to that point

2.) Why is Hubbs posting in this thread? Because it's a thread about Linkara and he is posting his opinions about Linkara.

no, its a thread about the new review of linkara, so the subject of the thread is the review, not linkara, cause, why the hell would i make a thread about linkara on an spiderman forum

honestly it doesnt bother me that you or anyone else dislikes him, I just dont understand why are you even talking about it if you dont even see the video
This is not a comic, its free

if you disagree with the analysis
ok

but you are basically just disliking for nothing

[ArnoldoAAD]

Im curious

"Tune your ear to the Frequency of Despair, and cross-reference by the longitude and latitude of a heart in agony"

with all honesty
what do you think of that sentence?
please dont say the first thing that came to your mind, read it carefully and then tell me what you think of it

[CyberHubbs]

he does mention that issues 3 & 4 are heavily re-written but that basically issues 1-3 are completely pointless to the whole story, and he is right, you need to understand that he analyzed everything here, every scene every important dialog, and at the end of the day those issue dont really let up to breaking up their marriage nor they build up to anything

and how can it not be lazy, he really pounded hard on that scene where he goes to Dr Strange
Aunt May was shot, thats it, she JUST was shot, with a normal bullet, and Dr Strange cant do anything about it, and then helps him contact Mr Fantastic and Black Panther and Doctor Doom, and not of them can do anything at all
a normal bullet wound, we she is old but really!

thats lazy writing right there

Way I see it, under normal circumstances May wasn't going to survive the gunshot. Even if you magically removed it. The stress would be too great on her body. Mephisto found a way around that after the doctors got the bullet out.

what are you talking about, who is talking about that?

I'm saying that when people talk about Peter growing up, it's in this kind of fantasy of theirs. The beautiful wife and adorable little rugrat. I always wonder how much readers would be up for Peter growing up if his kid was ugly.

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you completely lost me here, what are you talking about?

What linkara said is basically a realization of all that this book did goes beyond just going back to the status quo but to allow him to mentally grow up
he is an adult but he is being written as he has never left highschool he works in the same way he always has but without actually being mature

I don't see this at all. Adults make mistakes. Adults make bad decisions because they follow their heart or their guilt rather than the wishes of others. Maturity is not this perfect gift bestowed on anyone after a certain age. Peter was in a tough spot, a spot no one should ever have to be in, and he made a choice. Yes, it was to get to a certain point for the new writers coming on for BND. But, for the most part, it worked for me.

Peter Parker was such a great character cause you could relate to him, his readers were kids and teens and they could relate to him cause he was the same, but that readership has grown, those readers have grown up, they got married and have kids and lost ppl, and Peter is going back and stuck in as a 25yo kid with no responsibility for his actions

Not every reader of ASM is in their fifties and sixties. As for no responsibility for his actions, he's dealt with that plenty during BND. And OMD caused him to lose his loving wife. While everyone acts like, "Oh, he did that so he could shag!" and I wonder if they're just plain crazy or not. He probably did lose a much better life because of OMD.

its probably the strongest argument in the entire review im just paraphrasing it

but if really dont want to see it, i really dont see the point on you keeping discussing it only cause you dont like what he might say cause "the kool-aid man is red" and thats it

It's not that I might not like what he has to say. It's that I don't care what he has to say.

[Kevin Nichols]

I dont think you really understand how reviews work
or forums to that point

Oh, by all means then please enlighten me. Should I take notes?

no, its a thread about the new review of linkara, so the subject of the thread is the review, not linkara, cause, why the hell would i make a thread about linkara on an spiderman forum

If you run out of hairs to split, I've got a few short ones you can have.

honestly it doesnt bother me that you or anyone else dislikes him, I just dont understand why are you even talking about it if you dont even see the video
This is not a comic, its free

if you disagree with the analysis
ok

but you are basically just disliking for nothing

Do you honestly not see the double-standard here? I don't like Linkara because I find him and all other "nerd ragey" guys annoying. That's not disliking for nothing, that's my reason. He doesn't like OMD because he finds it lazy/insulting/poorly written/whatever. I disagree with his assessment of the story, so this is a perfectly appropriate thread to post it in.

[CyberHubbs]

It's really easy for someone to say what Marvel should have done. End of the day, Linkara is not a professional comic book creator. You can not like a story, but it takes a lot of balls to say that a professional writer is lazy just because you didn't like a particular story (I know you didn't say that, Kev. Just making a generalization.)

It's like me saying that if the Packers had just listened to me and benched Randall Cobb they would have won the Super Bowl last year. Just because I love the team and the game doesn't mean I know a damn thing about how it works.

Goddamn football nerds.

[Kevinroc]

It's really easy for someone to say what Marvel should have done. End of the day, Linkara is not a professional comic book creator. You can not like a story, but it takes a lot of balls to say that a professional writer is lazy just because you didn't like a particular story (I know you didn't say that, Kev. Just making a generalization.)

It's like me saying that if the Packers had just listened to me and benched Randall Cobb they would have won the Super Bowl last year. Just because I love the team and the game doesn't mean I know a damn thing about how it works.

Just because someone isn't a professional comic writer doesn't mean that a story is absolved of criticism. Now, that Linkara has gone on rants in the past and referred to Quesada as "a hack" for OMD and OMIT does not come across well. It's far too "internet fanboy," and not professional in the slightest.

But I do think he raises a lot of points about the problems OMD has as a story. That the first issue accomplished nothing. That Dr. Strange and the Marvel Universe being unable to help didn't make any sense with all of the fantastic things these characters do on a regular basis. That the alternate reality stuff was ultimately meaningless padding. And of course the stuff about the deal itself which has been discussed and debated ad nauseum.