Important features a potential Batman reboot MUST Have

[bat39]

In terms of overall approach to the films, I have two hopes:

1) Use of an overall theme for each movie, like the Nolan trilogy, and select the bad guys for the theme, not the other way around. The use of Fear, Chaos and Pain in the Nolan trilogy helped give each film depth and make the conflict with the villain more real. If you want to have the theme for the new movies be legacies and family, for example, choose the Al Ghul clan in it's entirety or have Mr. Freeze's relationship with his wife be a main focus. Or if you want to focus on identity and being lost in an obsession, use Hush or Clayface.

Yeah, that would be a great way to go about the film. IMO that was a big problem with the Burton/Schumacher series. They basically picked the villains they wanted to use and wrote a loose story around it. Whereas with Nolan, the story was ultimately more important than any individual villain. TDK for instance wasn't just a 'Batman vs. Joker' story...it had a wider narrative and the Batman-Joker conflict was just one part of the tapestry.

And I agree, a theme of Family or Legacy would be perfect for a film introducing Robin and/or Batgirl. And there are a LOT of villains who could fit the bill there, since many of Batman's rogue's had issues with their families (Scarecrow, Black Mask, Penguin, Riddler et all to name a few).

[Dr. Hurt]

1) No reboot
2) No superpowered characters
3) No reboot
4) Introduce potential leads for spinoff movies
5) No reboot

1) Abandon the idea of a JLA movie
2) Don't try to emulate Marvel
3) Don't reboot
4) Batwoman
5) Deadshot

Yes we get it already. Too bad what you want wont happen.

[Dr. Hurt]

1) Copy Nolan's meticulousness, love and care for his movies, as well as the way he ties to whole movie to a good theme that the audience can relate to. It's never about Batman just chasing down some bad guy.
2) New 52 batsuit. No more rubber pads batman please. The new 52 suit can be adapted very easily and it has no underpants or silly elements for the general audience to dislike or roll their eyes to.
3) BTAS - Arkham games atmosphere and level of realism. Basically anything goes, from Twoface, all the way to Croc or Clayface.
4) Tie it to DC movieverse.
5) Just tell good stories. The canon is there to follow loosely and to use as a guide of what works and what doesnt. Like how Marvel knows that the Winter Soldier and Extremis stories were great and they can count on them for success for Cap 2 and Ironman 3.

[Silvermoth]

1. Not as dark as Nolan's movies
2. But definetly still dar
3. More of the Batfamily particulary Robin and Barbara
4. Embrace the odder enemies like Poison Ivy and a (good) Mr Freeze
5. Make sure you get a great cast!

[Kal of Krypton]

1) Copy Nolan's meticulousness, love and care for his movies, as well as the way he ties to whole movie to a good theme that the audience can relate to. It's never about Batman just chasing down some bad guy.
2) New 52 batsuit. No more rubber pads batman please. The new 52 suit can be adapted very easily and it has no underpants or silly elements for the general audience to dislike or roll their eyes to.
3) BTAS - Arkham games atmosphere and level of realism. Basically anything goes, from Twoface, all the way to Croc or Clayface.
4) Tie it to DC movieverse.
5) Just tell good stories. The canon is there to follow loosely and to use as a guide of what works and what doesnt. Like how Marvel knows that the Winter Soldier and Extremis stories were great and they can count on them for success for Cap 2 and Ironman 3.

Out of all of the suggestions I've read here, I like these the most. Atmosphere is very important when it comes to doing someone like Batman.

Marvel went with the wrong atmosphere when it came to the Daredevil movie and DC went with the wrong atmosphere when it came to the Green Lantern movie, contributing to the awkwardness of the film's feel. Daredevil should've have been more serious and grounded in reality but they ruined it (i.e. Elektra's fight scene in the park) and Green Lantern should've been more fun and magical from beginning to end but that also got ruined on the second half of the movie (Hal getting all emo cause they treated him like crap in Oa).

Heh, maybe Marvel should just stick to the fun and magical stuff like Avengers, and DC should stick to the reality grounded, serious tone.

[Lord Bravery]

1. Gotham is more stylistic.
2. Batman is actually incredibly intelligent, he invents his own tech, he is "the worlds greatest detective".
3. The martial arts choreography is actually, you know, good.
4. Bruce Wayne is totally obsessed with being Batman and isn't constantly looking for ways out of the Cowl. Maybe an older, veteran Batman.
5. Use the more bizarre and unique villains that make Batmans rogues gallery so interesting and diverse.

[Lord Bravery]

Out of all of the suggestions I've read here, I like these the most. Atmosphere is very important when it comes to doing someone like Batman.

Marvel went with the wrong atmosphere when it came to the Daredevil movie and DC went with the wrong atmosphere when it came to the Green Lantern movie, contributing to the awkwardness of the film's feel. Daredevil should've have been more serious and grounded in reality but they ruined it (think Elektra fight scene) and Green Lantern should've been more fun and magical from beginning to end but that also got ruined on the second half of the movie. Heh, maybe Marvel should just stick to the fun and magical stuff like Avengers, and DC should stick to the reality grounded, serious tone.

I'm not sure i agree about Daredevil. For the most part, it was very serious and dark. The only thing i thought that ruined that was that awful playground scene. Other than that, it had the right tone for a Daredevil film and showed how tortured he was. The Directors Cut did anyway.

[Kal of Krypton]

1. Gotham is more stylistic.
2. Batman is actually incredibly intelligent, he invents his own tech, he is "the worlds greatest detective".
3. The martial arts choreography is actually, you know, good.
4. Bruce Wayne is totally obsessed with being Batman and isn't constantly looking for ways out of the Cowl. Maybe an older, veteran Batman.
5. Use the more bizarre and unique villains that make Batmans rogues gallery so interesting and diverse.

Having done Boxing/Muay Thai along with BJJ, that was one of my little gripes in Nolan-verse Batman. In some of the fights, Batman's moves seems too choreographed or telegraphed (you don't need to hold your elbow up for an extra 2 seconds for a powerful delivery on an elbow strike) I would prefer something more straightforward and less theatrical that wouldn't require your opponent to expectedly move a certain way so much.


Example: Here's a video of a man (a boxer) defending his girlfriend from two men (one of them backhanded her)


Of course, it can be more theatrical than that, but this is exactly how I'd imagine Bruce if he was forced to defend himself out of costume. :)

[Dr. Hurt]

Out of all of the suggestions I've read here, I like these the most. Atmosphere is very important when it comes to doing someone like Batman.

Marvel went with the wrong atmosphere when it came to the Daredevil movie and DC went with the wrong atmosphere when it came to the Green Lantern movie, contributing to the awkwardness of the film's feel. Daredevil should've have been more serious and grounded in reality but they ruined it (i.e. Elektra's fight scene in the park) and Green Lantern should've been more fun and magical from beginning to end but that also got ruined on the second half of the movie (Hal getting all emo cause they treated him like crap in Oa).

Heh, maybe Marvel should just stick to the fun and magical stuff like Avengers, and DC should stick to the reality grounded, serious tone.

Thanks a lot Kal!

1. Gotham is more stylistic.
2. Batman is actually incredibly intelligent, he invents his own tech, he is "the worlds greatest detective".

Yes and yes! Nolan's Batman wasnt stupid, but he wasnt the super duper genius we know and love. That's why i loved his few moments of genius, like taking Fox's cellphone sonar and going bigger with it, or fixing the Bat's autopilot by himself.

3. The martial arts choreography is actually, you know, good.

I second this. Nolan only managed some decent ones in TDKR. And it's not hard to do, you just hire a good martial arts team and let them do their work. It's not down to the director, he just needs to find a good team.

4. Bruce Wayne is totally obsessed with being Batman and isn't constantly looking for ways out of the Cowl. Maybe an older, veteran Batman.

The one thing in your suggestions i dont like. What i loved most about Nolan's Batman was his altruism and that he wasnt an obsessed madman. And like Rachel said, perhaps even he wasnt ready to give up being Batman, but as a young man he still thought he could and tried to be with her.

Not that i want another movie where they explore the same issue: Batman trying to give it up, i'm just saying i wouldnt want an obsessed madman, the Batman of the 90ies. Also, i'd like him young, with Dick as his Robin.

5. Use the more bizarre and unique villains that make Batmans rogues gallery so interesting and diverse.

Agreed!

[Lord Bravery]

Well not necessarily a madman. But bull headed obsession is one of his biggest defining traits really. I'd like to see an older Batman who is more grizzled and has come to terms with him being Batman forever.

[Kal of Krypton]

I'm not sure i agree about Daredevil. For the most part, it was very serious and dark. The only thing i thought that ruined that was that awful playground scene. Other than that, it had the right tone for a Daredevil film and showed how tortured he was. The Directors Cut did anyway.

Gah you quoted me before I edited my explanation to be more clear hehe. Yeah I didn't like the playground scene, and also him jumping building inhumanly as he did. Or did the toxic waste side-effects allowed his body to do that? Honestly, I forgot.

[Dr. Hurt]

Having done Boxing/Muay Thai along with BJJ, that was one of my little gripes in Nolan-verse Batman. In some of the fights, Batman's moves seems too choreographed or telegraphed (you don't need to hold your elbow up for an extra 2 seconds for a powerful delivery on an elbow strike) I would prefer something more straightforward and less theatrical that would require your opponent to expectedly move a certain way.


Example: Here's a video of a man (a boxer) defending his girlfriend from two men (one of them backhanded her)


Of course, it can be more theatrical than that, but this is exactly how I'd imagine Bruce if he was forced to defend himself out of costume. :)

It's just that a lot of times the Nolan fight scenes looked staged as hell. And Keysi is pretty lame if you want a movie fight scene that looks good. Even Nolan's team said they "had to open it up" because it's just elbows, elbows, elbows and a weird style in general.

I dont care for efficiency and most people wont either. Just make it look good. Here's a great Batman fight, even if it's CGI.

[Jim Thompson]

1. Batman
2. Commissioner Gordon
3. Alfred
4. Gotham City
5. Arkham Asylum

[Kal of Krypton]

It's just that a lot of times the Nolan fight scenes looked staged as hell. And Keysi is pretty lame if you want a movie fight scene that looks good. Even Nolan's team said they "had to open it up" because it's just elbows, elbows, elbows and a weird style in general.

I dont care for efficiency and most people wont either. Just make it look good. Here's a great Batman fight, even if it's CGI.

Yeah I wasn't implying that all his moves be practical and efficient as it is in real life. You can only do so much with that as far as cinematography goes. The fight scene in that vid you posted looked great. It was more straightforward and felt more like a fight than a choreographed scene while still staying theatrical. My gripe with the Nolan-verse fighting is that sometimes when the bad guys shows little resistance when Batman is in the middle of doing a move that gives them enough time to pull away or counter with an attack themself. Oh and again, striking a pose for two seconds in mid strike just before delivery hahaha.

[DebkoX]

1: No origin
2: Expand the Bat family
3: More villains like Clayface
4: Bigger universe
5: Beyond costume