Can we say that both mutants living and mutants dying are results of Cyclops leadership? Given that the mutant population has an upper-bound set by House of M and a few others, and can only decrease, how is what I'm not saying-- in the part you bolded-- not true? Scott has only become more intense of a leader as this thing has gone on. Mutants have become more isolated. Has he ever said, hey, maybe it's time for a major change in plans? I guess you could see the move to San Francisco as an attempt, but that just ended with Cyclops becoming even more militarized.
I admitted that his strategy was good for a while, and I'm saying, maybe it was time for a change in plans. I'm not even saying Cyclops is all bad.
More maybe all the mutants would've died under anyone else's watch? I don't know how we'd even adjudicate the argument. So I'm caught flat-footed here. If an editor said that, I guess I'd need to know if they were talking just as a fan or if they are revealing some sort of unstated fact about the MU.
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I criticized aspects of Cyclops' militancy earlier, and a poster rightfully pointed out that some of it was too harsh-- but I appreciate that aspect about Cyclops. I mean, he is different than Captain America, and he has different goals and responsibilities. I just think in a lot of ways they've written themselves into a corner with the dude. I hate to say "kill Cyclops." But someone posted the AvX 11 cover... I have say, if someone must die, Cyclops rather than Emma should die, for a variety of reasons. Cyclops' death (for a little while) would be the best thing for the character. If Logan, Storm and Emma all more or less saying they want to do something else with their lives than what Cyclops has planned doesn't get to him, maybe him sitting out a year of issues will.
Yes, Exactly, back in issue 7 when it became clear that everyone other than Cyclops was starting to lose it, I said it was a huge cop-out and all the Cyclops fanboys got mad at me. But the point I was trying to make was that Cyclops is the leader of the X-men, he is the one who took them up to this point, and if someone has to suffer negative consequences it should be him. Emma is not the leader of the X-men, if she ultimately pays for what happens in the end and not Scott, that's a cop-out.
I don't want Emma to die, but I do think her fans deserve to be sitting where the Jean fans are, so if they do kill Emma, I won't be too upset.
Let's see the Emma fans sit through ten years of being disgraced and having every character develop diamond form powers.
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For her to go out like that without another shot a redemption would be even worse! And no, she isn't redeemed by a "kill me please" sequence. I didn't like that with the Sentry and Siege. That isn't a redemption or even an amelioration. It left a bad taste in my mouth. I actually thought he was a bit too crazy anyways though, and I didn't like that he listened to Osborne instead of his friends. I hope Bendis doesn't pull that with Emma... or with any character, but Emma's rep on the boards couldn't survive it. Cyclops' and Colossus could I think. I'd defend them!
we don't know who is going to die or who isn't, the fight cyclops vs emma could be just a couple of punches for all we know, and it was stated in one of the interviews that the character who dies, dies around issue 9 or 10 (don't remember well and its to late to look for it) so I doubt its emma. If emma fans are going to get mad if she dies the same goes for cyclops fans if he is blamed for this hole fiasco, until now the ones responsibles for everything has been the avengers and thats how I see it and many others too. However a lot of posters are just saying "kill the character because I don't like it", if you want a fall from grace for cyclops it should be done right and not in a cheap event like this. Blaming cyclops at the end would feel like we need to blame someone for the avengers mystakes so we blame cyclops because he is the lider, lame, and I just hope that they don't take that route, like the title of this thread says "So...I'm still waiting for Cyclops to do something evil"
Haha, after everything Matt Fraction has done to Emma do you guys really think she's going to die? Bendis was in on that too. Emma' not dying. Don't fall into that trap. Every Emma story since she's become "good" has been a is she evil is she good story. And we've seen time and time again that she's good.
Now if you're an Xavier fan then you should be worried.
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I'm gonna take off my tin foil hat for a few moments to see if I start seeing Cyclops conspiracies, too.
VIVA KUSASAN!!! Morrison On Magneto: I made him into a stupid old drug-addicted idiot. CC had done a lot of good work over the years to redeem the character. And I went in and sh*t on all of it.
I really don't think he will. What is the Phoenix known for? It amplifies a person's base nature. Cyclops whole thing has always been to hold the line, not to stray to far either way, that's what his supporters are for. It's kinda what Gordon said about having friends that will be there to shove their hands in the filth so that you can keep yours clean. Cyclops hands may be filthy, but it takes someone on top of theri game to dig deep enough to find the source of the filth.
There's still four issues left. All it takes is one instance of the Avengers royally screwing up and everyone will stop with their craziness. There was a reason for Avengers Sanction.