Avengers #28 *Spoilers*

**Juggernaut Punch** · 07-26-2012, 04:04 AM

I was okay with the art. The story on the other hand not so much. Never mind that I hate everything AvX related but the issue was dumb.

**ShaunN** · 07-26-2012, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by ExodusCloak

Phoenix Cyclops has displayed telepathy in other issues but here Ross says that Emma is a mind reader and would sense him coming? Why wouldn't Cyclops sense him coming?

No obvious explanation for this, but this is somewhat consistent. It is true that Cyclops has shown telepathic powers as a Phoenix but, on the other hand, he does not seem to be a particularly sensitive telepath. I refer here to the Avenger invasion of Utopia in AvX #6. At that time, it was Emma who alerted Scott to the fact that the Avengers were trying for Hope again. So, I guess we're meant to conclude that his telepathic powers are not that extensive.

**XPac** · 07-26-2012, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by ShaunN

No obvious explanation for this, but this is somewhat consistent. It is true that Cyclops has shown telepathic powers as a Phoenix but, on the other hand, he does not seem to be a particularly sensitive telepath. I refer here to the Avenger invasion of Utopia in AvX #6. At that time, it was Emma who alerted Scott to the fact that the Avengers were trying for Hope again. So, I guess we're meant to conclude that his telepathic powers are not that extensive.

Cyclops obviously isn't used to being a telepath. In large part, most of the P5 have been largely using their own original powers rather than doing anything particularly elaborate with the Phoenix force. Emma still relies heavily on telepath, Cyclops still relies heavily on eye beams, and Namor still essentially went around punching stuff. I think we can assume there's a bit of a learning curve as far as using the Phoenix.

**John Ossie** · 07-26-2012, 07:28 AM

I liked the art but I didn't enjoy the issue personally.

**Juggy313** · 07-26-2012, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Monty_Cristo

seems pretty obvious to me that Cyclops is the super-ego of the phoenix 5. if you kill him, the energy will be transfered to Emma or Magik. Magik wouldn't hesitate to kill them all. and Emma might do it simply because they killed Cyclops. it's a ridiculously stupid plan.

Didn't think of that... Great point... That was a stupid plan..

**insidemyhead** · 07-26-2012, 08:59 AM

Maybe I went into it not expecting much (I'm pretty neutral as far as Red Hulk goes), but I thought this issue was actually pretty good.

**stewart48** · 07-26-2012, 10:03 AM

Bendis should have developed some sort of side-plot for these avengers issues. I like the occasional one and done story or tie in but all of these issues could have been skipped and replaced with AVX. Even Remender wrote a good story but the whole timeline of events gets confusing between his and Bendis' Avengers books.

Gillen has been weaving in his storyline for months and it fits

and Aron's book keeps the school aspect alive and still drives what could be important character moments for future reference. Even though its a tie there are still character developments that link you into this being a monthly ongoing ex. Toad's creepy\funny Husk obsession, anybody can jump in a get the comedy and history and anyone staying knows its an ongoing story development. Bendis seems to want to bludgeon people with the idea that people are in relationships, or spell out the role they fit into. Of course this rant probably has more to do with the fact I believe Wolverine and the X-men is the best X-Men book in years and Avengers seems to have been sputtering along until Bendis could finish his run rather than have anything planned, which was what made the original New Avengers so great for 50 plus issues.

**XPac** · 07-26-2012, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by stewart48

Bendis should have developed some sort of side-plot for these avengers issues. I like the occasional one and done story or tie in but all of these issues could have been skipped and replaced with AVX. Even Remender wrote a good story but the whole timeline of events gets confusing between his and Bendis' Avengers books.

Gillen has been weaving in his storyline for months and it fits

and Aron's book keeps the school aspect alive and still drives what could be important character moments for future reference. Even though its a tie there are still character developments that link you into this being a monthly ongoing ex. Toad's creepy\funny Husk obsession, anybody can jump in a get the comedy and history and anyone staying knows its an ongoing story development. Bendis seems to want to bludgeon people with the idea that people are in relationships, or spell out the role they fit into. Of course this rant probably has more to do with the fact I believe Wolverine and the X-men is the best X-Men book in years and Avengers seems to have been sputtering along until Bendis could finish his run rather than have anything planned, which was what made the original New Avengers so great for 50 plus issues.

I think the difference is that the Avengers are essentially the POV characters for the main book at this point. So we're seeing all the really important Avengers stuff right there in the main book. They're all right there.

The X-Men tie-ins do feel a lot more important, because you frankly don't see their side of things in the main book. Lately you don't even see the X-Men at all aside from the P5.

**Haquim** · 07-26-2012, 03:19 PM

Truly horrible issue: it makes very little sense, I'm sad a legend like Simmons penciled this.

Ross plan is idiotic ("I'm going to assassinate Cyclops with a bullet in the head..." and he STUDIED the damned P5!)

He does things he shouldn't be able to do (sneaks past ALL of Utopia defences in "Ross mode")

He loses and the X-Men claim they don't have a way to contain him because he punched out the observer (couldn't they also learn he LOST the power that allowed him to punch the Observer and beat Silver Surfer and now he's just a very strong guy?)

So what do they do? They send him back to the Avengers... In XML Ilyana sends Rogue to another planet to get rid of her... if they could not contain Rhulk why not just sending him away? Why giving the Avengers such an asset back?

The fact the X-Men know how to land Rhulk in Wakanda is not consistent with the main story (I know there are ways to rationalize this... but we all know it was just bad editing).

BAD ISSUE.

**devinofthedead** · 07-26-2012, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Haquim

Truly horrible issue: it makes very little sense, I'm sad a legend like Simmons penciled this.

Ross plan is idiotic ("I'm going to assassinate Cyclops with a bullet in the head..." and he STUDIED the damned P5!)

He does things he shouldn't be able to do (sneaks past ALL of Utopia defences in "Ross mode")

He loses and the X-Men claim they don't have a way to contain him because he punched out the observer (couldn't they also learn he LOST the power that allowed him to punch the Observer and beat Silver Surfer and now he's just a very strong guy?)

So what do they do? They send him back to the Avengers... In XML Ilyana sends Rogue to another planet to get rid of her... if they could not contain Rhulk why not just sending him away? Why giving the Avengers such an asset back?

The fact the X-Men know how to land Rhulk in Wakanda is not consistent with the main story (I know there are ways to rationalize this... but we all know it was just bad editing).

BAD ISSUE.

Actually he still has his power absorbtion ability. He just chooses not to use it.

**Haquim** · 07-26-2012, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by devinofthedead

Actually he still has his power absorbtion ability. He just chooses not to use it.

Didn't Banner take it away because it was killing Ross?

**devinofthedead** · 07-26-2012, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Haquim

Didn't Banner take it away because it was killing Ross?

No Banner told him that he lost it, but he was lying. You figure that out in Scorched Earth. Banner tells him if he keeps using it then he will either never be able to turn back into Ross, or never be able to turn back into hulk. Or something like that. I really was thinking he was going to be forced to use it on the P5 but I guess not.

**nojarama** · 07-27-2012, 11:16 AM

Ross's plan, as many have stated, is flawed. I was actually hoping he would kill Emma first!

**gregyo** · 07-27-2012, 01:36 PM

I think Cyclops should have put Rulk in the X-brig, with all the other supervillians. Seriously, they just sent a bad guy on his merry way.

**Mechano** · 07-27-2012, 06:30 PM

This could have been one of the greatest issues of all time. Master Simonson on art chores... depicting the rulk's demise. Instead it was just the rulk blathering on.