Batman: The Dark Knight #11

[RoughNTumble]

I dunno, I still hope they do something with Jai--her being the White Rabbit and having duplicate powers I thought was kinda cool, and she could be a cool addition to the gallery: she could be a good manipulator villain for him now that Ivy seems to be more of an eco-terrorist/anti-hero ATM.

I wouldn't mind her hanging out with the mad hatter

[ArnoldoAAD]

the white rabbit and previous love interest in this very comic!

ah, the indian girl

that was her name!

[RoughNTumble]

I wasn't buying finch's scarecrow as creepy or scary, but it's the eyes that sold me on that this issue

[RoughNTumble]

I wasn't buying finch's scarecrow as creepy or scary, but it's the eyes that sold me on that this issue

[doordoor123]

The problem with the book is Finch and not Hurwitz. The problem is that Finch is too pretentious as an artist so he does a bunch of splash pages and just really big artwork. It takes away a lot of story from the pages and doesn't leave enough room for the book to end on a good cliff hanger. A lot of other artists have that same problem. All of Liefeld's books are like that because he writes for the artist, but pretentious artists like less story. Another example is the guy that does Green Lantern New Guardians and Green Arrow. It takes a lot away from the writers.
Manapul and JH Williams do a great job of showing off the story rather than the art and it compliments the story. You can tell the difference between an artist trying to sell themselves rather than trying to sell the story.

[Duke Togo]

I only hit the comic store once a month so I tend to read a months worth of comics in one sitting and I thought this was the best Batman book of the month. Not sure where all this hate is coming for, but this was a very well done and entertaining issue, even if it was a bit dark. Looking foward to more.

[ArnoldoAAD]

I only hit the comic store once a month so I tend to read a months worth of comics in one sitting and I thought this was the best Batman book of the month. Not sure where all this hate is coming for, but this was a very well done and entertaining issue, even if it was a bit dark. Looking foward to more.

thats a pretty good review, if you liked this i recommend you the penguin pain and prejudice mini series by the same writer, the trade comes out in september

[darkseidpwns]

#10 intrigued me but I didn't like #11. I tolerated what was going on with the kids in the last issue but now he's kidnapping more kids and torturing them. Then we see Scarecrow tortured as a child. Enough of the violence against children, DC! I'm getting thoroughly tired of it because the graphic depictions of it keep getting worse. How is this even rated teen and not mature? I'm seriously considering dropping BDK from my pull list.

Asside from that, this issue didn't really take the story any further so I paid $3 for what? And so now Crane was tortured as a child instead of becoming crazy as an adult. Why does the nu 52 keep wanting to invent new origins for classic villains?

Yep, definitely not happy with this title.

Stuff like this makes me wanna see the freaks get their spines broken.

[nepenthes]

Read this today and it struck me that of all the books this is actually fairly damn close the Nolan films in content and style. It's "realistic" and "street" and pretty much like the world of the films done in a comic. It's good to have a book like this. And in itself it's an effective balance of mood, action (Scarecrow busting out the front door middle of the day with an elephant gun ha!), nice character insight and even the cliched Bruce Wayne romance thing done ok. The page where Crane snatches the kid was just spooky. Probably the first time I've found a Scarecrow story half interesting. Good second issue.

[Jake Fury]

What was up with Thomas Wayne in the flashbacks? He looked seriously pissed.
For the actual comic, it just felt very brief story wise.

[Seattle Freeze]

and there is obviously a point to the use of children, like retro said, Bruce got traumas as a kid too, and its not just violence for violence sake

I'm not doubting there is a point to it. My complaint is showing children being tortured. I think this is a line that shouldn't be crossed. I understand showing the girl at GCPD traumatized after the fact but depicting scenes during the torture session is too much. I felt the same about showing Nobody torturing Damian. I can't imagine the artists and writers doing this having children. If they do, how can they create such imagery? DC pulls Batman Inc 3 because the violent imagery is unacceptable at tis time. When are images of child torture EVER acceptable? I think it is as terrible as images of child pornography.

As to Scarecrow's origin, I have no problem extrapolating upon a pre existing origin story, I just don't like them changing an origin story. Though I'm not saying they have necessarilly doen that.

[ArnoldoAAD]

I'm not doubting there is a point to it. My complaint is showing children being tortured. I think this is a line that shouldn't be crossed. I understand showing the girl at GCPD traumatized after the fact but depicting scenes during the torture session is too much. I felt the same about showing Nobody torturing Damian. I can't imagine the artists and writers doing this having children. If they do, how can they create such imagery? DC pulls Batman Inc 3 because the violent imagery is unacceptable at tis time. When are images of child torture EVER acceptable? I think it is as terrible as images of child pornography.

As to Scarecrow's origin, I have no problem extrapolating upon a pre existing origin story, I just don't like them changing an origin story. Though I'm not saying they have necessarilly doen that.

I think you are exagerating, i have seen much violent and disturbing things in Fury of the Firestorms and Batgirl

[Seattle Freeze]

But does that make it okay? Especially when, like it or not, kids are reading the stuff.

Besides, graphic depictions of violence against children is different than dipictions of violence against adults. Just as the creators and viewers of child pornography are unacceptable, should creaters of art depicting adults torturing children be acceptable?

[Jim Thompson]

But does that make it okay? Especially when, like it or not, kids are reading the stuff.

Besides, graphic depictions of violence against children is different than depictions of violence against adults. Just as the creators and viewers of child pornography are unacceptable, should creators of art depicting adults torturing children be acceptable?

Different, perhaps, in how people look at such things. Not necessarily different in terms of what's being shown. There are those who would argue if the act is wrong to show, it's simply wrong to show.

[ArnoldoAAD]

But does that make it okay? Especially when, like it or not, kids are reading the stuff.

a better question would be: are kids reading this book?

Besides, graphic depictions of violence against children is different than dipictions of violence against adults. Just as the creators and viewers of child pornography are unacceptable, should creaters of art depicting adults torturing children be acceptable?

I think my point is, its is not that violent to kids, a kid gets kill and all his family in the first issue of firestorm, thats more likely to complain