As for AvX an in-universe explanation for why no villains have taken advantage of this is probably because they're too scared. Most X-Villains kinda have what they want now with the mutant dominated world and the rest like Sabretooth and Mystique (presuming they're even around during AvX) are laying low in order to avoid the ire of the P5. I mean what is there to even take advantage of? The P5 rule the world and are actively fighting the Avengers so I don't see what any Avengers foes could take advantage of, their opponents are already being dealt with. The only reason Sinister made a move is because he has plans specifically for the Phoenix Force and the X-Men.
Off the top of my head, aside from Sinister I think the only villain that might try something in AvX might be Doom. He'd like plot to try and take the P5's power, and would certainly oppose anyone telling whether or not he can have weapons or wage war.
Aside from him, most villains I think would probably choose to lay low. Despite heroes being pre-occupied fighting each other, I'm not entirely sure the situation has improved for them.
Minor quibble, but as to the title, I think it's more that the issue is villains have been marginalized, as opposed to diluted. I don't think they can really dilute characters by using them less.
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In other words, what StoneGold said.
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No. I wish they'd stop making them heroes, tho.
How do you replace Juggernaut? Yeah, you can bust out another class 100 power house but Cain is a classic. He's got a descent amount of cred, so when he plows through a group of heroes you buy it.
I think it would be less of a problem if you occasionally turned a few heroes into villains and made it actually stick. Not that I'm necessarily in favor of doing this in general... but I think occasionally it's needed if you're going to make it a habbit of reforming perfectly good villains.
Besides why didn't any villain do anything during civil war directly?
Red Skull once picked a fight with Dr. Doom, a lot of these villains are pretty brazen. Besides the P5 have their hands fill with other things, would they notice Diablo doing something in South America or Mad thinker pulling off a very subtle scheme? If Mr. Sinister thinks he has a chance against the P5, I don't see why other villains wouldn't try less dangerous schemes, that the P5 wouldn't be likely to notice.
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So AvX is really only an opportunity for a high end villain like Doom, who can turn a situation like this to his advantage. For most villains, this is out of their league. And because of that, they're probably better off keeping their heads down low.
I think they might have an opportunity when this is over... once the P5 is beat odds are the Avengers and X-Men will be in bad shape. And that creates a potential window. But right now the P5 are frankly a just a large a threat to any villain as they are to the Avengers. It's not necessarily something most would want a piece off. Someone like Doom is a potential exception.
Also most villains didn't seem to do jack during or after Civil War, would the writers actually deal with the fallout this time of heroes foolishly. During Civil war, villains had an advantage over heroes, but they didn't press it and that made them look weak and ineffective, frankly Marvel has show the villains doing something this time, otherwise it looks like the heroes can just ignore fighting crime and villains and get into fights with each other whenever they want and the world will be no worse for where. How is there supposed to be any drama in hero vs. villain conflicts, when the villains cannot take advantage of obvious openings?
Onslaught was a bad story, but they at least dealt with the aftermath and how super villains did take advantage of the situation, something lacking from both Civil War and AvX. Most of the villains seem to have become ineffective wimps lately lately, most seem to have lost their nerve, making them far less threatening then in the past.
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Didn't Norman use his political/biz connections to get in with the Tbolts and just take advantage of how event unfolded from that point?
There was that one point when Cap worked with the Kingpin to set up a bunch of bad guys but that was as big as it got with villians. Love him or hate him Hood and his group seemed to be doing ok during CW.
In some way the pool of villans is rich because they have been on the shelf.Instead of a oh him again reaction people might enjoy seeing someone besides Doom and Loki as the bad guy.
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As far as villains taking advantage... again, I think that was sort of the point of Dark Reign. With heroes splintered from Civil War and removed from power after Secret Invasion, the villains ended up getting the upperhand for awhile in Dark Reign. An opening was created, and they kind of filled in that power vacuum for a bit.
Besides can you think of any villains who did anything directly during Civil war when the heroes were fighting each other?
I would love to see some unused villains get the spot light, but if the writers did jack with them during and after Civil war, why would they use well now?
The P5 are busy with Sinister and the Avengers, aren't they too busy to deal with someone like Diablo causing problems in a part of the world the heroes hardly ever seem to visit anyway. Plus Mad thinker is pretty good with subtle schemes, what is stopping him from doing something?
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In fiction it is more like a dirty dozen senerio His "friends" that got him on the team probably did not expect him to live long enough to cause trouble. He did not have a lot of wins at that point.
As I said Hood built up his group at that time which was shown after the fact and Kingpin got rid of Hammer Head but that is all that springs to mind.
I also would like to see some villians dusted off and I hope they will. No matter what happens I hope it is different from the end of CW if for no other reason I don't want to read anything to do with CW ever again.
Red Skull is back in UA maybe his plan has been in the works with all the AvX stupidity has been going on.
But that's not necessarily an option if AvX. The circumstances are difference, and not necessarily in favor of the villains. Again, the P5 have proven capable of dealing with a variety of things besides Sinister and the Avengers... we've seen Colossus spend time growing wheat in a field. So it's not like they don't have the time in theory to deal with a few villains IF they villains make themselves credible enough threats to get on their radar.
Again, I'd argue they're probably better off waiting until after the P5 are taken down. The X-Men and Avengers will likely still be in bad shape for a short window of time, and you won't have to risk throwing down with cosmic beings. Doom would risk that... but he's more the exception than the rule.