Are Comicbook resource reviewers giving Marvel comics better reviews than DC

[thwhtGuardian]

Problem was Bob Harras had Scott Lobdell, Rob Liefeld and Ann Nocenti dancing to a tune that was 20 years out of date.

You two win the the internetz.

[finfangfool]

Your ignoring a lot of my posts. It's kind of sad.

SW

I may have missed a lot of your posts (I don't tend to follow anybody on the boards, even the ones whose posts I enjoy, I instead follow threads on topics I find interesting), but the posts or discussions I've come across that involve you almost always involve you responding to a poster on the boards (who admittedly usually has said something negative or stupid about a Marvel book) with negative comments of your own. At first I asked questions of you in the threads I'd see you post in, things about the spider-line or what we might see upcoming from Marvel, in hopes of steering the conversation into a more friendly area but those questions went unanswered. Instead a few posts would go by, somebody else would say something stupid and you'd instead respond with scorn to their stupidity.

Now I'm not saying it's not OK to call someone out on their stupidity, just that there are plenty of intelligent posters on the boards already who are well-equipped to do that. What they're not equipped to do (which you are) is speak to the real business of this hobby that we love, or add to the conversation with that perspective. Also, even if this is just one of many comic book-devoted websites with its own tiny community of comic book lovers and nerds you are still representing Marvel. You can obviously choose to do that by engaging with trolls and idiots (who in my opinion are not worth the engaging with in the first place), but personally I feel you'd be best served focusing on building excitement for your brand and engaging with people who want to have conversations or who have legitimate questions about the company and its characters. Most of us would love to have your job remember (I'm sure there are some aspects we wouldn't like, but I'm sure it's worth it).

[mikekerrIII]

Well, maybe you should consider the possibility that Marvel's writers are simply doing a fine job right now.

I could consider that as a factor, but unfortunately reading the books prevents me from doing so

[stephen wacker]

I may have missed a lot of your posts (I don't tend to follow anybody on the boards, even the ones whose posts I enjoy, I instead follow threads on topics I find interesting), but the posts or discussions I've come across that involve you almost always involve you responding to a poster on the boards (who admittedly usually has said something negative or stupid about a Marvel book) with negative comments of your own. At first I asked questions of you in the threads I'd see you post in, things about the spider-line or what we might see upcoming from Marvel, in hopes of steering the conversation into a more friendly area but those questions went unanswered. Instead a few posts would go by, somebody else would say something stupid and you'd instead respond with scorn to their stupidity.

Now I'm not saying it's not OK to call someone out on their stupidity, just that there are plenty of intelligent posters on the boards already who are well-equipped to do that. What they're not equipped to do (which you are) is speak to the real business of this hobby that we love, or add to the conversation with that perspective. Also, even if this is just one of many comic book-devoted websites with its own tiny community of comic book lovers and nerds you are still representing Marvel. You can obviously choose to do that by engaging with trolls and idiots (who in my opinion are not worth the engaging with in the first place), but personally I feel you'd be best served focusing on building excitement for your brand and engaging with people who want to have conversations or who have legitimate questions about the company and its characters. Most of us would love to have your job remember (I'm sure there are some aspects we wouldn't like, but I'm sure it's worth it).

That's all fine for ya. I'm just always amused at how many people are experts in how i should behave on message boards.

Don't worry. Things ain't so bad.

I do have a good job though and I'll love it as long as it lasts. Few people seem to do it forever so one day maybe you'll get someone who comports themselves how you want them to.

SW

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Did it ever occur to anyone that the people who review these books have their own likes and dislikes when it comes to writing and art, and simply enjoy those books without caring whether or not they are Marvel or DC? I mean, if you enjoy a book and a CBR reviewer doesn't is that really going to prevent you from reading it? Every now and then I'll read a CBR review and consider it, but at the same time I consider the reviews of some posters here on this forum that I have grown accustomed to and trust their taste.

[S_Rhoades]

I think it might have something to do with DC dropping the ball recently. This whole DCNU blows except for 3 - 4 books. And this is coming from a long time DC supporter.

[finfangfool]

That's all fine for ya. I'm just always amused at how many people are experts in how i should behave on message boards.

Don't worry. Things ain't so bad.

I do have a good job though and I'll love it as long as it lasts. Few people seem to do it forever so one day maybe you'll get someone who comports themselves how you want them to.

SW

Once again, not saying you have to behave in a certain way (or that I'm any expert on what that way is or should be) just that how you behave reflects both on yourself and your company. I'm not angry about it, I'm just disappointed at the level of conversation. Other people in the business who I've seen on the boards semi-frequently include Gail Simone (though not in a while) and Kurt Busiek and they've been nothing but polite and engaging with others, ignoring the trolls and idiots around them. It's your choice how you interact with others around you (or over the internet), and rest assured it won't change my buying habits (Scarlet Spider is one of my favorite comics at the moment, and I'm really looking forward to the new books coming from Marvel NOW!). As long as you (and everyone else at Marvel) keep me in good comics I could really care less about your behavior on internet message boards. It's just that it feels like finding out a member of your favorite sports team is a bit of a jerk when interacting with fans, even if he's an assistant coach.

[Darrell D.]

You brought him into the conversation, though. You seemed deadset on declaring how he should act on these boards.
Someone takes a shot at him, he takes a shot back, the Chicago way.
Busiek and Simone interact differently, true, but that's them.
People are different.

[finfangfool]

I just mentioned his behavior in the context of the conversation of Marvel bias on the site, though he's obviously welcome and right to come defend himself since he's being discussed. What I was (originally) saying was that the way he tends to interact with other posters (again, when I've run into conversations involving him) would get me or anyone not working for a major comic company banned from the site for at least a day and if repeated probably for life where he seems to be getting a pass. It's true that people interact differently and are different, but my further comments were my expressions of preference for Simone and Busiek's style (friendly, informative, and classy). No different from posters expressing their dislike of certain comments from posters like Cavemold who used to rile up people on the Community boards (whatever happened to that guy?), and I've been a lot nicer discussing Mr. Wacker than most posters were interacting with Cavemold.

I understand people might wish to defend him, but I hope they can be objective enough to read my comments and see that I'm not being rude or trying to harass Mr. Wacker. I also haven't taken any shots or twisted anything he's said, and again if one were to look objectively at the comments even in this thread coming from Mr. Wacker they'd see that's not the same on his side. And again, that's his choice.

[stephen wacker]

Busiek and Simone interact differently, true, but that's them.

Ha!

There's a reason Gail's nickname is "Knuckles".

SW

[stephen wacker]

the way he tends to interact with other posters (again, when I've run into conversations involving him) would get me or anyone not working for a major comic company banned from the site for at least a day

This is untrue. I'm pretty nice all things told. Just funnier and more easy going than many people here which tends to rub guys like you the wrong way.

You believe in a fiction you've created. Like Total Recall.

SW

[worstblogever]

Problem was Bob Harras had Scott Lobdell, Rob Liefeld and Ann Nocenti dancing to a tune that was 20 years out of date.

LOL. Don, I'll tag-team on a joke with you anytime. Well played.

[Michael P]

Also, people don't generally impugn Simone or Busiek's competence using "facts" they just pulled out of their asses. That tends to lead to a different conversation than the ones pros usually have on these boards.

[finfangfool]

I've not questioned his competence at all (from what I've read from sources I'd trust, he's an excellent editor and joy to work with so I'd tend to believe that's the case), nor have I pulled any facts out of my ass (though if you'd like to bring up specifics instead of taking shots I'd be more than happy to go over them with you Mr. P). Also, if you don't think that happens to other creators/people in the business you really haven't been paying attention, it happens all of the time. The difference is just in the way it's handled (see the Kurt Busiek question thread when he makes corrections).

It's not a fiction I've created, nobody is a misunderstood nice guy getting piled onto here, it's all plain to see from reading his comments. I've yet to see one (including this exchange) where he hasn't taken a shot at another poster and/or twisted somebody's words or point. That's observable behavior, not an alternate reality. My pointing that out (and contrasting with both other people in the business and the majority of folk who post on these boards) isn't a shot at him, it's just looking at things objectively and providing an opinion on whether that is a good thing or a bad thing. Since I'm not going to change his mind obviously and nothing he's said is going to change mine I don't see any reason to continue this conversation (it's also distracting from the thread topic). If anyone would like to discuss (or bash me for having a negative opinion of a more popular/famous poster) feel free to PM me (or get your "zingers" in here so they can be seen and chuckled at, whichever you prefer).

[stephen wacker]

I've not questioned his competence at all (from what I've read from sources I'd trust, he's an excellent editor and joy to work with so I'd tend to believe that's the case), nor have I pulled any facts out of my ass (though if you'd like to bring up specifics instead of taking shots I'd be more than happy to go over them with you Mr. P). Also, if you don't think that happens to other creators/people in the business you really haven't been paying attention, it happens all of the time. The difference is just in the way it's handled (see the Kurt Busiek question thread when he makes corrections).

It's not a fiction I've created, nobody is a misunderstood nice guy getting piled onto here, it's all plain to see from reading his comments. I've yet to see one (including this exchange) where he hasn't taken a shot at another poster and/or twisted somebody's words or point. That's observable behavior, not an alternate reality. My pointing that out (and contrasting with both other people in the business and the majority of folk who post on these boards) isn't a shot at him, it's just looking at things objectively and providing an opinion on whether that is a good thing or a bad thing. Since I'm not going to change his mind obviously and nothing he's said is going to change mine I don't see any reason to continue this conversation (it's also distracting from the thread topic). If anyone would like to discuss (or bash me for having a negative opinion of a more popular/famous poster) feel free to PM me (or get your "zingers" in here so they can be seen and chuckled at, whichever you prefer).

You brought it up my behavior up in the first place the first place, so it's silly for you to try to pretend to be above it all. I guess I'd try to change the subject too if I posted such silly, off base accusations.

Are you ever gonna post any of the stuff I wrote that I should have been banned for?

SW