Point 1 - Who will be Ant Man?

[Monty_Cristo]

Nah, Ultron War isn't till next year.

i'm not in a rush. him dying in a years time is cool with me. of course, i don't think they even need to do an Ultron War. i hope that Iron Man or AIM are its creators if Ultron appears in the movies.

[Legion_Quest]

Nah, Ultron War isn't till next year.

That's when Pym will shine and save the day, just in time for his movie and his big push

[destro]

Hank or Scott. In 5 years nobody will even remember who Eric was, he was just a blip on the radar screen.

[Monty_Cristo]

i like for Eric O'Grady to have another title or mini-series but there are very few writers i trust to do it. Kirkman's got his own universe to play with. i'm not sure that Phil Hester's interested but he'd be my close second choice. Seeley did a great job with the Ant-Man & Wasp mini but i'd kind of like someone else to pencil it; leaving him to focus on whatever the story would be. but Eric, if there's any hope of his survival, is in a great spot. he's young, active, and not tied down by anything (mainly because he's really really selfish). and his agent of S.H.I.E.L.D background is topical because of the movies. but i'll be happy with him, Scott, or a new character who doesn't have a reputation for beating up women, a weight problem, and/or an inferiority complex.

[Dr. Sonic]

gross, The only thing more boring that Eric O'Grady and his in-your-face, created by focus group character is Scott Lang and his sappy, I'm just doing this to save my daughter motivations.
Marvel is all about characters with depth, imperfections and haunting backstories.
Remender did us all a great favor in killing of O'Grady. Just as Bendis had done us a favor in killing off Lang.
Fingers crossed that Fraction will set this straight and kill off Scott in his upcoming appearance of Defenders.

[Personamanx]

I'm still hoping that Eric "The Interesting One" O'Grady has a shot.

[Dr. Sonic]

I'm still hoping that Eric "The Interesting One" O'Grady has a shot.

et tu, Manx?

[Lascoden]

gross, The only thing more boring that Eric O'Grady and his in-your-face, created by focus group character is Scott Lang and his sappy, I'm just doing this to save my daughter motivations.
Marvel is all about characters with depth, imperfections and haunting backstories.
Remender did us all a great favor in killing of O'Grady. Just as Bendis had done us a favor in killing off Lang.
Fingers crossed that Fraction will set this straight and kill off Scott in his upcoming appearance of Defenders.

I'm sorry, but how do Scott and Eric not fit that description?

[Lady_Alternate]

I'm sorry, but how do Scott and Eric not fit that description?

I... don't think you'll ever be able to claim that Eric has depth or a "haunting" story while managing to keep a straight face.

[Lascoden]

I... don't think you'll ever be able to claim that Eric has depth or a "haunting" story while managing to keep a straight face.

Ah, but imperfections are plentiful. Also, dude's been thrashed around by everybody, and has now died. And, depth doesn't have to be positive. Anybody can have depth, even heartless monsters such as the Joker.

[Monty_Cristo]

gross, The only thing more boring that Eric O'Grady and his in-your-face, created by focus group character is Scott Lang and his sappy, I'm just doing this to save my daughter motivations.
Marvel is all about characters with depth, imperfections and haunting backstories.
Remender did us all a great favor in killing of O'Grady. Just as Bendis had done us a favor in killing off Lang.
Fingers crossed that Fraction will set this straight and kill off Scott in his upcoming appearance of Defenders.

Pym was given depth over time. he started out as a by-the-numbers hero ("sappy" i'm just doing this to avenge my dead wife). even his field of science was comic book generic. but i don't need to diss Pym to defend Eric. there's nothing more haunting than Eric's backstory. Kirkman disguised it by emphasizing the lewd acts and sight gags. the smart people who actually collected those 12 issues of his series were rewarded with a very 3-dimensional character. Eric is very much a character governed by his instincts. but the story was in the costume/the role of a superhero overtaking him. it was about a cad experiencing love and guilt for the first time and not being able to handle it. Eric was a b@$tard but he suffered for his deeds. even his good deeds (and there were many) ended up biting him in the rear; because, again, he had a lifetime of bad karma built up. Eric is the prototypical Marvel character. to boil it down to saving his daughter is like saying Matt Murdock's entire story is about him seeing his boxer dad take a dive. it's not only about where a hero begins their journey. but i can see why a fan of Pym wouldn't understand that.

and, again, Scott's story is about redemption. his story as Ant-Man didn't begin until after Cassie had been saved and Pym chose him as his successor.

[Monty_Cristo]

I... don't think you'll ever be able to claim that Eric has depth or a "haunting" story while managing to keep a straight face.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/im...tman/03/06.jpg
wake me up when you actually read something with him in it.

http://comicbookrevolution.blogspot....e-ant-man.html

"The Good: The Irredeemable Ant-Man #8 was a fun read! I love the tone and mood that Kirkman has brought to this title. Ant-Man is clearly a humorous title, but Kirkman doesn’t play only for laughs. The charm of this title is that it is actually a rather dark and depressing title."

http://comicbookrevolution.blogspot....e-ant-man.html

"The Good: The Irredeemable Ant-Man #4 was another great read! Kirkman is really doing a great job on this title. Kirkman has brought a unique blend of drama and humor to this title that makes Ant-Man a total blast to read. Ant-Man is a dark title, but it isn’t. Ant-Man is a wacky title, but it isn’t. It is hard to label this title one certain genre. Ant-Man can be as funny and off the wall as Ambush Bug or Justice League International, but it can also be as dark as X-Factor or Daredevil.

Kirkman has created such a distinctive mood on Ant-Man that makes it like no other comic book on the market. Honestly, I’m stunned that Kirkman has been able to pull this off. His work on Ultimate X-Men has been so pedestrian that I didn’t expect much from him on Ant-Man. Well, Kirkman has continually proved me wrong on each and every issue of Ant-Man and deserves all the credit to turning out a comic book that is such a refreshing change of pace compared to the other types of comic books on the market."

[Dr. Sonic]

A good argument (despite the graceless move of suggesting that anyone who disagrees is somehow not smart).
O'Grady just never clicked for me. The parts about his guilt over being a deadbeat was a little interesting, but the jokes were just so lame. If people are interesting in such things, they'll be better served with Deadpool (it's essentially the same brand of humor).
And Lang was just a carbon copy bore.
People like AntMan because he's nuts, builds killer robots, builds sexy robots, cross dresses, possesses pathology that has actually been researched and thought through by the writers. The difficulties with his ego and self esteem is so well symbolized by the shrinking and growing powers. That symbolism and depth just isn't there for Pym's replacements. There isn't the same alignment of factors that makes for truly great comic book character development.

[Lady_Alternate]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/im...tman/03/06.jpg
wake me up when you actually read something with him in it.

I've read the entire series. As a female reader I hated it; O'Grady is utter pond scum and his actions in the book, that clearly you identify with, are those of an emotionally stunted and immature self-centred vile little man-child.

Getting a woman pregnant and then trying to turn the argument around and make her feel as if she's guilty and to blame? That's not "deep" or "haunting", it's shallow and puerile.

A genuine lol at your knee-jerk defensiveness.

[Monty_Cristo]

I've read the entire series. As a female reader I hated it; O'Grady is utter pond scum and his actions in the book, that clearly you identify with, are those of an emotionally stunted and immature self-centred vile little man-child.

i don't identify with any of it. i've never cheated on anyone or whored around. i've never spied on anyone in the shower. i'm not a thief. i find it entertaining as an unconventional take on legacy. i have an interest in personality disorders and find Eric to be true-to-form. of course, his actions have no consequences because he's not real.

Getting a woman pregnant and then trying to turn the argument around and make her feel as if she's guilty and to blame? That's not "deep" or "haunting", it's shallow and puerile.

it's a character study. and i'm not sure why you are projecting guilt onto Veronica King. she gave him a shot to step up and be the father; despite finding him as vile as you do. and he stayed true to himself. he wasn't father material. he would have done more damage to Veronica and their child than good. that's called realism. if it had gone any other way, you'd be calling it cliched.

A genuine lol at your knee-jerk defensiveness.

it's not knee-jerk. it's passionate. your criticism is shallow.