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    Default Can martial arts movies have more of like a message?

    As much as I like martial arts movies (American or East Asian) b/c not many ppl can accomplish such spectacular physical feats unlike a lot of the American sci-fi,drama and some action movies I'm more use to watching I find them particulary lacking when it comes to issues that cause thought-stirring even if it's mainly emotional.I guess the Matrix movies might sort of count but martial arts weren't the point of the movie but just the principle fighting method they decided to use for it's flashiness which is brought out even more by the special effects that come with that sci-fi world.

    The only ones that I can think of that have messages are like in there own ways the original two Karate kid movies and the Jaden Smith remake to some extent by more so with Jet Li's Kiss the dragon.It shows you how a women was forced into the squalidness of prostitution and had her duaghter taken away by a brutal husband who an agent (Li) is working for intially but gets betrayed,has this women involved in his mission which suddenly doesn't become some run of the mill get in,get the job done,get out mission to do but it turns more personal for both of them.I'm sure there's some interesting undertones there.

    I mean there's so much more potential to martial arts movies besides the usual stuff about fighting techniques and their accompanying philosophies,traditions,dynastic politics,honor and vengance.The last two are so cliche that when I see a trailer for an Asian historical action or martial arts movie (esp.when it's fictionalized stuff) I start thinking "please dont be about revenge and/or honor,please dont be about revenge and/or honor,please dont be about revenge and/or honor".

    Revenge is just sssooo cliche doesn't it make anyone else feel like rolling their eyes and saying "COME ON!,CANT you be more creative?!?".I mean there's other East Asian movies that dont do martial arts but go into stuff like hope, reliability,compassion,love, the struggles of a whole family,venturing into unknown moral limits and happiness aren't there?.Also I've yet to see any historical action a/o martial arts movie that explains what honor is.I mean I'm sure we all know it's like a big thing in East Asian culture but in movies it's never really seems to go beyond beyond a hardly explained concept of worth or through some pomp and rhetoric some concept of an elusive and highly exalted nobleness.

    If anyone can point out some martial arts movies that dont do one the revenge and honor tropes but somthing more different,please do tell.

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    That Ip Man movie sure seemed to have a message. A lot of martial arts movies have some message.

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    You need to watch more martial arts movies then. 3 relatively recent and famous ones off the top of my head; Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Hero. Fearless.

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    The new Karate Kid was awful. And had no message whatsoever, but I think the originals did. They showed a sense of honor, standing up for yourself, and that fighting should is only good as a last resort.
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    One of the best is (ironically) the first Best of the Best. Not only is it an awesome martial arts film, but it has a fantastic story with a strong message and I ALWAYS cry at the end of it. It is such an emotional scene that you have to see. The rest of the series became much more generic action/revenge tales but the first one is still by far my favorite of the series. Skip the 4th one though. It totally sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Bravery View Post
    You need to watch more martial arts movies then. 3 relatively recent and famous ones off the top of my head; Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Hero. Fearless.
    What Lord Bravery said. There is often some kind of moral compass or lesson imparted in martial arts films. I never get tired of the Shaw Brothers' riffing on various vengeful storylines. They are always fun, usually insane and still hold up decades later. Sometimes, it's good to make the message hidden between the lines so the viewer discovers it later on. I don't like being bludgeoned with morality and lessons with every film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Bravery View Post
    You need to watch more martial arts movies then. 3 relatively recent and famous ones off the top of my head; Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Hero. Fearless.
    Pretty much all flicks that made it to theaters around the world, Kung Fu Hustle, Shaolin Soccer, Curse of the Golden Flower, House of Flying Daggers, etc, etc.

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